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dlh wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:22 am

philip964 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:43 am Parishioner hero with a license to carry - Security Guard

Hero defender of the congregation - Gunman

These are not accidents or a rush to get a story out, this is ingrained negative bias.

The murderers sister said it was her other brother’s Birthday. He committed suicide in 2008.

Both brothers were on and off homeless. He came to the church often for help. He apparently could quote the Bible. She was unaware of any hard feelings he had for the church as they had always treated him well.

One shot from Mr. Wilson. Two shotgun blasts, but one was supposedly at the ceiling. Three dead. Did I miss something?

The evil murderer first shot Mr. White then fired a second blast into Mr. Wallace. Mr. Wilson then shot the evil murderer. There may have been a third shotgun blast into the ceiling contemporaneous with the shot from Mr. Wilson.

Some say there was a second parishioner who also shot the evil murderer but nobody has been identified in that supposed shooting and that may not have happened. If there was I would like to hear from him too since we have heard now from Mr. Wilson.

According to Atty Gen Ken Paxton, Mr Wilson was the only one to engage the killer. I believe cruddy reporting is to blame, with someone extrapolating that "two security team members reacted by drawing their handguns" equated "two security team members fired their handguns".

The lead pastor of the church explains a bit of their past interaction with the mentally deranged killer, asking for prayers of healing for all affected, including the murderer's family. The article also discusses briefly the two victims.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/30/us/texas ... dmore_pool

[Edits in red based on updated news reports & John Correia's zoomed-in video analysis].

From the video clip Phillip posted, it appears there were at least 4x armed members of the congregation, not including the deranged gunman, and they were disbursed somewhat throughout the sanctuary. I have no idea if this dispersion was by design or chance. [John Correia's zoomed in video clearly shows more than the 4x I initially counted; there were at least 6 armed parishioners, & based on updated news reports the gunman's demeanor/behavior had already put him on their radar as a potential threat. This enhances the likelihood the security team pre-positioned themselves in a manner to escort out if disruptive, or engage if becoming a threat.]

It appears the first victim was standing next to the man passing the communion, and had just drawn his own handgun in order to deal with the threat. This likely saved the life of the man closest to the gunman, at the cost of his own. (JOHN 15:13).

The first gunshot was from the shotgun; the second gunshot was from the second armed parishioner who engaged the gunman; & the third gunshot appeared to be the shotgun discharging towards the ceiling. [Edit: after watching the video several more times & based on updated news reports, I likely got this wrong. It seems the 3x gunshots heard in the video were all from the shotgun; either the handgun shot was masked by the sound of the second shotgun blast, or wasn't picked up by the audio equipment. There are two distinct flashes from the shotgun muzzle at the first audible gunshot & the last, but the muzzle of the shotgun appears to recoil when the second victim falls.]

ETA some other observations:
- the gunman appeared to present the shotgun from under a garment/jacket.
- Of the three remaining armed parishioners, no one seemed to flag/muzzle anyone else. [The additional armed partitioners noted by Correia flag several people. One seems to have a slightly elevated muzzle, whereas another one appeared to muzzle everything in front of him enroute to the threat].
- Most people dropped low & crawled/crouched as they moved away from the threat.
- As soon as the gunman was down, someone immediately ran to the victim to assess/render aid. One person was not prepared to see his condition, & ran a few pews back. (It sounds as if a family member is calling out in emotional agony; as if the victim was their father. Their grief is palatable & raw; it can be felt thru the audio).
- Someone moved the shotgun away from the gunman; perhaps he wasn't fully incapacitated at that point.
- Someone pulled out a cell phone within seconds of the threat being neutered, assumedly to call 911 to get first responders mobilized.
- Gunfire indoors can be deafening; have a plan that is well rehearsed and doesn't rely on voice communication.