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txinvestigator wrote:A guy approaches you with a pipe (not the kind you smoke ;) ), from about 20 yards away. Would you not not produce your weapon when he is at a distance rather than wait for him to get close enough where you NEED to shoot?

+1

wouldn't like that situation at all, but i could see that happen. Not sure if i would pull before he got close enough to justify shooting though.

I can pull from my shoulder rig in about 2 to 2.5 seconds (slow, i know, but it's a shoulder rig). He could easily close a LARGE distance by the time I could get that out.

Personally, I would see putting my hand in a cross draw position, popping the retention strap, and holding it there and changing my body posture to lower my target area. I'm not sure i would actually reveal the gun until I was ready to use it.

Perhaps that's personal preference. I understand and appreciate what you have to say though.

can i still say, "i'm your huckleberry" before I draw?

txinvestigator wrote:I disagree with that too. I can think of several reasons to draw prior to actually having justification to use deadly force, and chapter 9 allows for that.

what if we just say, "I'm your huckleberry."

overall, i do tend to agree with Txinvestator here. (someone take a picture)

I find it hard to see a situation where I would draw my gun and NOT shoot. That doesn't mean that the situation isn't out there though. At one time i could see that situation, clearly, but maybe not now so much.

I tend to think "they should never know i'm even armed until they're already squinting from the muzzle flash".

Upon some further thought though, I do now carry OC/CS . (and no, i'm not spraying the wife, heh).

did we just hijack this thread? sorry man.

seamusTX wrote:

LedJedi wrote:... "you dont want a perfect score on this. If you ever shoot someone and get pulled into court and it shows surgical skill it's going to come up that you could have shot without killing them."

IMHO that's an urban legend. If you're not justified in using deadly force, you have no reason to draw.

Your scores on the shooting and written tests are not recorded. The TR-100 form contans only the word "pass."

- Jim

it sort of smacked of urban legend-ish to me too. I figured if it was an x cop telling me though it might have some merit. I have a hard time thinking the would go back and pull up my target, but putting two outside the ring didnt hurt me any either. I do wonder about those two extra holes in the target though from the old lady. hmmm, oh well. I got the plastic. That's what matters.

Xander wrote:

LedJedi wrote: There was this little old lady in the stall next to me during my class that actually kinda scared me. She put two bullets in my target and one in the guy on the other side of her and she still passed. I now look for her on the street so i can go the other way.

LOL! Yeah...That's truly frightening. I'm really not terribly worried about passing, but I want to be prepared so that I will be able to get the highest score that I can. I do *not* want to be one of the people passing despite a marginal shoot.

you know, our instructor said something interesting during class. I'm sure those with more experience can chime in on this, but he said something to the effect of "you dont want a perfect score on this. If you ever shoot someone and get pulled into court and it shows surgical skill it's going to come up that you could have shot without killing them."

That perked my ears up and is perhaps a good point. Whether that would actually happen or not, i dont know. I threw two shots outside my 10 ring because of that though. Couldn't hurt.

seamusTX wrote:
Also dry fire.

- Jim

With a snap cap!!!!

i certainly understand your concern. I had the same questions before I went to my class.

I can tell you now though that the only way you would fail that shooting test is if you didn't have a pulse or you were straight up scared of the gun. Don't sweat it. There were 3 people in my class that had never shot a gun before (how they got to Texas, I dont know). If they can pass, you can pass. Our instructor didn't even score them.

There was this little old lady in the stall next to me during my class that actually kinda scared me. She put two bullets in my target and one in the guy on the other side of her and she still passed. I now look for her on the street so i can go the other way.

and I have a SA/DA pistol and was never asked to decock. I'm not that kind of guy.