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by parabelum
Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:29 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Obama acting on executive action
Replies: 73
Views: 14736

Re: Obama acting on executive action

cb1000rider wrote:I share your concern. However, is it enough of a concern to justify total inaction? IE - are we so scared of what "might" happen that we don't implement what might be considered an obvious improvement?


The link you cited seems to indicate that any case where a financial trustee is in place will trigger a restriction. Again, valid concern, but I'm not 100% that's the implementation. Does that mean that someone has been adjudicated as "unfit"? I certainly hope not.

I think we are beating a dead horse here. :deadhorse:

We both agree on the main points. Our difference appears to be in the intent.
Maybe under different administration I'd feel more at ease, but this one, no sir.
by parabelum
Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:07 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Obama acting on executive action
Replies: 73
Views: 14736

Re: Obama acting on executive action

cb1000rider wrote:
parabelum wrote:Sadly, I think that this EO will affect our Vet's first and foremost through the V.A.
Then, think about what qualifies as "mental disorder". Stalin and his ilk did similar thing, by twisting words/redefining the definitions, little by little, until only those that Government deemed "fit", according to their revised definitions of course, were able to posses a firearms. Then the party begins.
I have great respect for our Vet's, but I don't think that being a Vet entitles you to a complete lifetime pass in terms of the mental facilities required for firearm ownership. We all age. It may disadvantage Vets as their healthcare is government sponsored because that's a direct link to the information and the private sector isn't as "available".

As near as I can tell the EO will start applying known social security statuses of people that have been somehow judged or adjudicated to be incapable of running their own affairs and essentially block subsequent firearm purchase attempts. Would you argue that these people should own firearms? IMHO, it's reasonable to make sure that there is a fair process around doing that adjudication and appealing any government action. I can easily argue that ignoring such a status is ridiculous... And expecting people who are mentally incapable to volunteer that on a form is just as ludicrous..

If you can show me where it redefines "mental disorder" or applies common mental disorders such as situational-depression as a trigger for a background check fail, please show me.... That's be much more concerning to me. I do know how badly the government can mess up medical fitness - I'm a pilot, there's a whole movement to remove the massive burden of "prove that you're physically capable" that the government applies to those of us who do it as a hobby.

I can't point to a specific segment that has been redefined, since the wheels have just now begun to spin, however, using psychiatry to suppress political dissidents is not a new game, as you can see from the link below. Many more examples are out there to study.


http://www.jaapl.org/content/30/1/145.full.pdf


I get that everyone gets old, if they are blessed to get old of course. I'm also not suggesting that everyone gets a free pass for gun ownership regardless of their mental condition.
My concern is that the definition of mental disorder will be bastardized to fit the regime objectives, just like they have perverted virtually everything else. It's an upside down snow globe tyrannical regime, and I just don't trust them frankly.
by parabelum
Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:15 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Obama acting on executive action
Replies: 73
Views: 14736

Re: Obama acting on executive action

Sadly, I think that this EO will affect our Vet's first and foremost through the V.A.
Then, think about what qualifies as "mental disorder". Stalin and his ilk did similar thing, by twisting words/redefining the definitions, little by little, until only those that Government deemed "fit", according to their revised definitions of course, were able to posses a firearms. Then the party begins.

Again, I think their short term targets are Veterans, then, who knows....
by parabelum
Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:47 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Obama acting on executive action
Replies: 73
Views: 14736

Re: Obama acting on executive action

Middle Age Russ wrote:The teeth they have is setting precedent. If they survive court rulings in any way, these actions will have expanded the power of the executive branch at the expense of individual liberty -- another step, and perhaps a giant one since it messes with individual rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights, toward tyranny.
I agree that setting a precedent is their primary objective here, a Trojan Horse for more oppressive usurpation of our Rights.

These actions may not have any impact on us today, but could certainly affect our kids tomorrow.
by parabelum
Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:43 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Obama acting on executive action
Replies: 73
Views: 14736

Re: Obama acting on executive action

cbr6864r wrote:He is a lying muslim traitor. He not once mentioned in all those shootings the firearms were illegally obtained. Plus if your going to commit a crime why would you care about gun laws as you already plan on breaking the law. It's all about disarming the American people. Look what those so called refuges are doing in Europe

I'd go and take a breath of fresh air before calling him a "muslim traitor", because I frankly don't care whether he's Muslim or not, it doesn't matter to me. There are plenty of Muslims who are against him and his ISIS pals.
What matters to me is knowing that he is a double speaking tyrannical sociopath, and in my opinion, a traitor.

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