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juggernaut wrote:

WildBill wrote:But, with a birthday party we get ice cream and cake.

With a wake we get

seamusTX wrote:

WildBill wrote:This thread has been going on since December 19, 2007! We should have had a birthday party for it.

How about a funeral? Because it passed its "best used by" date a long time ago.
- Jim

But, with a birthday party we get ice cream and cake.

casingpoint wrote:Seems like this debate is always dominated by the 1911 and striker-fired pistols-with-safeties aficianados. But for day-in and day-out field carry of a semi automatic handgun, the time proven DA/SA pistol with a decocker is hard to beat when it comes down a combination of safety and speed.

This thread has been going on since December 19, 2007! We should have had a birthday party for it.

jeeperbryan wrote:

WildBill wrote:

jeeperbryan wrote:What if it was illegal to carry a gun with one in the chamber? Would you stop carrying because your gun is useless now?

FWIW, you can carry a handgun with an empty chamber without a CCW in Utah.

So you have to have a CCW to carry with one in the chamber? That's weird.

Sorry, my memory is faulty. You can open carry in Utah if your gun is not loaded, e.g. without a round in the chamber. IANAL.
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jeeperbryan wrote:What if it was illegal to carry a gun with one in the chamber? Would you stop carrying because your gun is useless now?

FWIW, you can carry a handgun with an empty chamber without a CCW in Utah.

Keith B wrote:

jeeperbryan wrote:

TTUchris wrote:I really hope the chance of an AD is lower than 1%. That would imply that there is an AD approximately once every 100 instances of carrying, so about 3-4 per year . I understand your argument, though - that carrying with one in the chamber inherently makes your chance of an AD go over 0%, but I think it's in the neighborhood of .0001%. I'm probably reading too much into it, but I'm a bit of a math nerd.

Yep, the chance of AD is definitely less than 1%. But it's certainly some value greater than 0% :)

The percentage is probably greater than 1% if you are a professional football player with a Glock stuck in your sweatpants and no holster.

Or if you are a "professional" DEA agent!

Interesting, I found this in Kimber's Instruction Manual for the Compact, ProCarry and UltraCarry:

Safe Carrying Condition: Never carry this pistol cocked, loaded and ready to fire as this practice could easily result in an unintentional discharge. Do not carry a loaded gun with a live round in the chamber while walking, running or crossing any obstacle, where there is any possibility of slipping or falling as this could lead to a possible unintentional discharge.

Mike1951 wrote:If someone isn't willing to carry a 1911 in condition 1, I recommend they don't carry a 1911.

Always wanted to use this smiley