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thetexan wrote:

Breny414 wrote:Looking up the definition of "Sign" via Google, it says, "A notice that is publicly displayed." It makes no mention of substrate, same substrate, etc., etc..

By definition, HEB meets the requirements, even if their Spanish and English notice is separated by the doors.

My $0.02

Good! I'm not sure I agree that that superceeds the phrase "a sign" but at least we're bringing research into the discussion.

Ruark wrote:

Why are you looking to get past the intent of the store owner?

Why do you assume I'm trying to "get past the intent" of the store owner? I'm just asking whether its legal or not; I have NO intention of violating it either way. Some of you guys just love to throw crap at people. I'm just making conversation here, OK? Keep yer shirt on.

There is no requirement in the law for the sign to be contiguous.

Right, there's not. So I'm just going by the exact language of the law: "A sign ... that includes ... both English and Spanish..." Two signs 30 feet apart isn't exactly "a sign."

Ruark wrote:We're getting off topic. I'm not talking about a card that is handed you per "giving notice." I'm talking about the 30.06 sign that is posted outside. The code says, and I quote:

(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language ... in both English and Spanish;

Don't worry, I have NO intention of walking past any such sign, regardless. I'm just asking out of curiousity if, technically, a "split" sign is legal, as I have seen at some locations where the English and Spanish versions are 20+ feet apart.

TrueFlog wrote:

WildBill wrote:Yes, I think you are trying to split hairs. If it came down to the sign you would be busted. Of course IANAL or LEO or DA, etc.

(3) "Written communication" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or
- See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/ ... joTiK.dpuf

I think that depends on what "card or other document" means. To me, the context makes it clear that a sign is not a card. If it were, then there would be no need for section (c)(3)(B). Moreover, if a sign qualifies as a card, then no 30.06 sign would need the Spanish wording. And I think we can all agree that's not the case.

Ruark wrote:I'm seeing more and more "split" signs, where the English and Spanish versions are on two different signs. On some HEB entrances, they're on opposite sides of the door, about 25 feet apart! The penal code says "the sign," not the "the signs." It's singular. This might be splitting hairs, legally, and I don't know how far this would get with an LEO trying to bust you for carrying past it, but I just noticed these "split" signs appearing more and more frequently.

(3) "Written communication" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or
- See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/ ... joTiK.dpuf