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by Unocat
Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:59 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I now regret that OC passed
Replies: 142
Views: 44173

Re: I now regret that OC passed

DaveT wrote:
Unocat wrote: Agree whole heartedly!
I did a tour in Afghanistan for our rights, freedoms, and to fight back against those that would take them away. I am very surprised at this forum in general, I am new, but I thought I was joining a place where people were interested in advancing our rights as enumerated in our countries founding. However I see a lot of CC only people griefing people who are interested in OC. It is always an interesting human dynamic, that not matter how much alike a group is they always find a way to divide over some issue. It saddens me.
First off, thanks for your service.

If I may, here's a slightly different way to look at what you've posted above...... I did two tours in Vietnam, whenever we got back to a rear area we would usually visit the Red Cross places where they had a TV. There was only one channel and that was Armed forces TV. We would mostly watch old recorded news shows from 'back home' so we could keep up with what was happening.

At the height of the protests back home, we watched weeks old news reports of all the demonstrations. One evening I asked my old and wise platoon sergeant why we were in Vietnam if so many people didn't want us there? His answer was one I've never forgotten.... He said we were there to assure those people the right to a differing opinion, and to demonstrate if they thought that was the way to express their point of view. In other words, freedom at work.

It's no different with the many differing viewpoints expressed here on the forum. While you may not agree with some points of view, you served our country honorably to preserve those differing opinions.... even those vastly different from yours.

I certainly don't agree with everything I read here, and I was totally against folks walking around with AR's and AK's trying to push their point of view, but I am not saddened by it...... I am reminded that we are all very lucky to be living in a country where freedom works, even when being expressed differently than we believe.
Thank you for your service as well - I was in diapers during Vietnam, but I supported the troops! :patriot:

Maybe I should have placed a blank line between the two thoughts in that paragraph. The first thought was about agreeing with an above post about our rights constantly under fire and being taken away from the people and the states. The second thought was that there are clearly, within this auspicious group two camps being set up. Those that seem to be against OC and those that are for OC. Granted there are a lot of us that are somewhere in the middle of the field, but some of the nastiness and fighting is on this issue. So it saddens me that no matter how many times you slice a group of people into what appears to be a homogeneous sliver, that group finds a way to divide itself over something... hair color, eye color CC/OC. etc... Mr Cotton had a good posted somewhere recently about the fact that it is the law and we should strive to be part of it as written... and that in the future it maybe likely that these two camps will need to part ways (a loose paraphrase, if you will).
by Unocat
Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:07 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I now regret that OC passed
Replies: 142
Views: 44173

Re: I now regret that OC passed

baldeagle wrote: Maybe you should take a little more time to read through the posts and get to know the old timers. I don't know a single person on this forum that has ever been opposed to OC. Some of us have argued about the timing, feeling other issues were more important.
I think you are definitely right about this. I need to stop posting and read more of what is going on here. I have been licensed since 97-2001 in LA and then 2001-present in TX. I was excited to find this place linked from 3006texas and was eager to jump into the conversation. I now regret that and should have spent more time lurking and seeing the attitudes and general nature of the discussion. My fault, not anyone's here. I am going to run silent and deep for a bit.

Cheers!
by Unocat
Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:54 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I now regret that OC passed
Replies: 142
Views: 44173

Re: I now regret that OC passed

thatguyoverthere wrote:
This. ^
When I ask myself why I sometimes open carry, my answer is: "because I CAN." Others may see that as foolish or unwise. But to me, that is a very important reason, if not the MOST important reason.

Whether you or I or anyone else actually wanted OC to pass or not, and whether we now regret it or not, it's here. It's a done deal now. So now, does it really achieve anything worthwhile for some to say "I told you so" and/or to bellyache about what's happening now?

Or would it do more good for our community for us to work together to start coming up with solutions for the new problems that we face today? Just like we worked together to resolve our problems in the past, and just like we will work together to resolve whatever new problems come up next year, or the year after, or the year after that?

Agree whole heartedly!
I did a tour in Afghanistan for our rights, freedoms, and to fight back against those that would take them away. I am very surprised at this forum in general, I am new, but I thought I was joining a place where people were interested in advancing our rights as enumerated in our countries founding. However I see a lot of CC only people griefing people who are interested in OC. It is always an interesting human dynamic, that not matter how much alike a group is they always find a way to divide over some issue. It saddens me.
by Unocat
Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:17 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I now regret that OC passed
Replies: 142
Views: 44173

Re: I now regret that OC passed

A friend and I OC tonight in Austin and had really good interactions and responses.
First - BBQ place. Got a lot of smiles.

Second - cafe/pub (not 51%) - the owner was there and told us he had just given his entire staff training this afternoon and we had a great conversation. He said he knows there will be people who complain about guns present but he wants his place to remain completely apolitical and just conform to the law and allow people to exercise their rights. He said he won't post any signs. Probably the best I have heard coming from a property/business owner.

Third - Gas station to buy powerball. Clerk was all smiles, asked about what kind of gun it was (Ruger vaquero 357) asked how he could do it and we had a little educational talk about the process. Had a lot of looks from other customers but no one was in the least bit scared or put-off.

No regrets. Interactions like this will keep me open carrying and talking to others. I didn't intend to OC that much but it was such a positive experience.
by Unocat
Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:52 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I now regret that OC passed
Replies: 142
Views: 44173

Re: I now regret that OC passed

Don't have buyer's remorse just yet. let people settle into it. the signs will slowly come down over the next year or two.
When the crime statistics go down, when a LTC holder is a hero, when the OCT AR/AK wielders go away... things will get better.

No that new Star Wars movie - that I regret... I should have just thrown $11.50 in the toilet. :anamatedbanana

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