Well, let's see. This issue has been around for 10 months now with no conclusion.
Just another example of our government not being too good at finalizing things in a reasonable manner in a reasonable amount of time. Oh, don't get me wrong, they can react quickly as proven by the $700B bailout plan. I was amazed that when it comes to giving away our money, they are quick to respond. When it comes to correcting a wrong, things take a little longer. In this case, long enough to see any hope of resolution ride off into the sunset. I stand by my statement from February that if a politician commits with no actual commitment, don't expect great things.
In this case, they took too long. With $700B to give away, they went too fast. In both cases, they got it wrong!
Looks like 5 months is a pretty good estimate for them to make a reasonable decision. Any less time and they get it wrong. Any more, they simply let it die because the political significance has waned or changed and it might attract too much bad juju.
I would pronounce this opportunity dead, but that would be negative and I promised not to go there back in February.
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- Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:04 pm
- Forum: Federal
- Topic: Change in Nat'l Park Service Rules on CHLs
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- Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:58 pm
- Forum: Federal
- Topic: Change in Nat'l Park Service Rules on CHLs
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Re: Change in Nat'l Park Service Rules on CHLs
I'm still waiting on my questionnaire that I am sure will come as part of the vetting process. I guess I can expect it soon after I receive my digital tv discount coupons. Oh darn,......I'm being negative again.
Note to self:
Don't be so negative. Move to Oklahoma, build a big fence buy a big lock for the fence, and ignore everything that's promised (sort of) by Uncle Sam. Dang it, there I go again.
Note to self:
Don't be so negative. Move to Oklahoma, build a big fence buy a big lock for the fence, and ignore everything that's promised (sort of) by Uncle Sam. Dang it, there I go again.
- Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:51 am
- Forum: Federal
- Topic: Change in Nat'l Park Service Rules on CHLs
- Replies: 35
- Views: 5955
Re: Change in Nat'l Park Service Rules on CHLs
Guys,
You are correct. I was being too negative. I'm gonna have to work on that.
Meanwhile, I'll keep the faith and expect great things.
Looking forward to the day!.....
You are correct. I was being too negative. I'm gonna have to work on that.
Meanwhile, I'll keep the faith and expect great things.
Looking forward to the day!.....
- Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:53 pm
- Forum: Federal
- Topic: Change in Nat'l Park Service Rules on CHLs
- Replies: 35
- Views: 5955
Re: Change in Nat'l Park Service Rules on CHLs
Well, the Sec of the Interior is an appointed member of the presidents cabinet. Most presidents like to appoint their own cabinet members and I don't see much chance of one of George Bush's appointees hanging around long after he leaves. Soooo, I see a somewhat empty promise to change the way things are today unless they work really fast.
If the current administration doesn't get it in place before dooms day, bwahahaha has an almost 100% chance of being correct in that the entire effort will be "re-evaluated". If it does get put in place before Bush leaves office, it will only serve as an example of how even Dept. of Interior policy can and should be updated to reflect current "federal" policy and the new Sec of Interior will be tasked with doing even better in updating that policy when the "better" policy is defined. (Sorry for the run-on sentence but I'm a little miffed that it took this long to get this far).
Of course, if the Dems fail, all things will be good and the world will stabilize on its axis and the universe will quit expanding, and there's a chance we all may get to enjoy the new NPS policy. Sorry about being negative (again).
If the current administration doesn't get it in place before dooms day, bwahahaha has an almost 100% chance of being correct in that the entire effort will be "re-evaluated". If it does get put in place before Bush leaves office, it will only serve as an example of how even Dept. of Interior policy can and should be updated to reflect current "federal" policy and the new Sec of Interior will be tasked with doing even better in updating that policy when the "better" policy is defined. (Sorry for the run-on sentence but I'm a little miffed that it took this long to get this far).
Of course, if the Dems fail, all things will be good and the world will stabilize on its axis and the universe will quit expanding, and there's a chance we all may get to enjoy the new NPS policy. Sorry about being negative (again).
- Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:59 pm
- Forum: Federal
- Topic: Change in Nat'l Park Service Rules on CHLs
- Replies: 35
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Re: Change in Nat'l Park Service Rules on CHLs
A valid point and one I hadn't thought of.
Given that NPS is at least alluding to adopting associated state rules on carrying firearms, I wonder what they will do where national parks boarder more than one state? Yellowstone comes to mind.
Given that NPS is at least alluding to adopting associated state rules on carrying firearms, I wonder what they will do where national parks boarder more than one state? Yellowstone comes to mind.
- Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:50 am
- Forum: Federal
- Topic: Change in Nat'l Park Service Rules on CHLs
- Replies: 35
- Views: 5955
Re: Change in Nat'l Park Service Rules on CHLs
ELB,
I know this response is long but I wanted to clarify some of my earlier comments.
I fully understand that very few politicians or their appointees make original decisions and instead, depend on "experts", advisers, polls, and staff to ensure that their response to "needs for change" are in keeping with the best interest of the majority of the people's wishes while at the same time protecting the interest/objective of the agency. It is unfortunate that many times, the resultant action/policy is less than clear.
The point I was trying to make was that Mr. Kemptorne has responded to pressure from the President and members of congress to do something that he obviously felt no need to act on previously. While his response is promising, he has covered all the bases in his response letter to ensure political correctness without making any real commitment other than incorporating new (more restrictive) federal requirements.
First, Secretary Thorne acknowledges that he has decided to take action. Not because it's in the best interest of the people or the correct thing to do, but because 50 congressional representatives have applied enough political pressure to make him do something.
Second, Secretary Thorne dutifully summarizes the complexity of trying to keep up with changing federal regulation. In effect acknowledging that his current policy may not reflect current regulations or policy. There is a hint of hope when he mentions the current NPS policy of requiring firearms to be inoperative. At this point, I could see something significant getting ready to happen but other than say state and federal laws have changes, he leaves any decision to take action to later analysis.
Third. Secretary Thorne re-assures that "This Administration" supports "the long-standing tradition" of states rights while preserving "...the Federal government authority to manage its lands, buildings, and facilities." Not sure if "This Administration" is referring to the Dept. of Interior or the Bush administration, but it is clear that Secretary Thorne is preserving his authority to take some liberty with a strict interpretation of the second amendment to make any changes appropriate for those Government resources within his control.
Fourth, Secretary Thorne does what any good political appointee would do, he passes the task off to an assistant with assurances that the assistant will do whats necessary to see that newer (in Sec. Thornes example, more restrictive) federal regulations are incorporated and then, incorporate wording that reflects the "law by which the host states govern transporting and carrying of firearms...". Although Sec. Thorne gives assurances that any changes will be appropriately vetted, I find it hard to imagine that this can be a simple process and will be heavily dependent on Asst. Sec. Laverty's experts, advisers and staffers. The results should be interesting.
Finally, Secretary Thorne closes by saying in effect, see Assistant Secretary Laverty if you have any issues but be assured that he will do everything I've asked him to do. That is, he will take action based on your political pressure. He will ensure that updated federal regulations are incorporated, while preserving the value of public lands, including the safety and enjoyment of all visitors, while enhancing local control and respecting the individuals 2nd amendment rights.
The final paragraph of Secretary Thorne's letter pretty much sums things up. The bolded text in the above paragraph is for emphasis of his main points. NPS has used the concern for "safety and enjoyment of all visitors" as their primary reason for their restrictive gun policy for years. This makes me wonder if there is a change in the works or if it will be business as usual. With the added inclusion in this letter of "enhanced local control", I see an opportunity for some improvement but Secretary Thorne has been very clear that any update will reflect additional federal restrictions as well as recognition for enhanced local control.
My original response to the post said that I thought this was a political response and I stand by that. Secretary Thorne has left enough wiggle room in his letter that he can dodge left or right depending on the political winds and never have to recant anything in this letter. But as you pointed out, "the proof is in the pudding". I will wait and see whether this is a net sum gain or loss. I would love to believe that we have a gain on the way.
I know this response is long but I wanted to clarify some of my earlier comments.
I look forward to the day when all of the government agencies that have a role in, or an opportunity to control/adjust/deny/etc. my second amendment right, agree on simplifying their approach to protecting their own interest. With a little luck and a continued application of pressure from the President and 50 or so members of congress, even the Department of the Interior can be motivated to change something that they would obviously just as soon leave un-changed.ELB wrote:Well, yes, the proof is in the pudding, but the NPS has gone farther than I thought they would. I've worked in a large bureaucracy -- to me this signals they know they are going to have to do something, so they'd rather have some control than have congress just hand it to them. Certainly they have an opportunity to try to drag it out or clutter it up to the point of impracticality, but we'll just have to keep the pressure on.bpet wrote:I've read a few federal firearms regulations and wouldn't get too excited just yet. Biggest wad of mumbo-jumbo that man has ever had the opportunity to turn into law. While it would appear that there is an opportunity for progress to be made, I'm not holding my breath until I see what actually gets proposed.
Bill
Um, so? Not sure what to make of this.bpet wrote: What I read in your post is a very politically worded response ...
Bill
You can look a lonnnnnng, lonnnnnng time before you find a governmental directive or law, that is not "politically motivated".bpet wrote: ... politically motivated directive.
Bill
I fully understand that very few politicians or their appointees make original decisions and instead, depend on "experts", advisers, polls, and staff to ensure that their response to "needs for change" are in keeping with the best interest of the majority of the people's wishes while at the same time protecting the interest/objective of the agency. It is unfortunate that many times, the resultant action/policy is less than clear.
The point I was trying to make was that Mr. Kemptorne has responded to pressure from the President and members of congress to do something that he obviously felt no need to act on previously. While his response is promising, he has covered all the bases in his response letter to ensure political correctness without making any real commitment other than incorporating new (more restrictive) federal requirements.
First, Secretary Thorne acknowledges that he has decided to take action. Not because it's in the best interest of the people or the correct thing to do, but because 50 congressional representatives have applied enough political pressure to make him do something.
Second, Secretary Thorne dutifully summarizes the complexity of trying to keep up with changing federal regulation. In effect acknowledging that his current policy may not reflect current regulations or policy. There is a hint of hope when he mentions the current NPS policy of requiring firearms to be inoperative. At this point, I could see something significant getting ready to happen but other than say state and federal laws have changes, he leaves any decision to take action to later analysis.
Third. Secretary Thorne re-assures that "This Administration" supports "the long-standing tradition" of states rights while preserving "...the Federal government authority to manage its lands, buildings, and facilities." Not sure if "This Administration" is referring to the Dept. of Interior or the Bush administration, but it is clear that Secretary Thorne is preserving his authority to take some liberty with a strict interpretation of the second amendment to make any changes appropriate for those Government resources within his control.
Fourth, Secretary Thorne does what any good political appointee would do, he passes the task off to an assistant with assurances that the assistant will do whats necessary to see that newer (in Sec. Thornes example, more restrictive) federal regulations are incorporated and then, incorporate wording that reflects the "law by which the host states govern transporting and carrying of firearms...". Although Sec. Thorne gives assurances that any changes will be appropriately vetted, I find it hard to imagine that this can be a simple process and will be heavily dependent on Asst. Sec. Laverty's experts, advisers and staffers. The results should be interesting.
Finally, Secretary Thorne closes by saying in effect, see Assistant Secretary Laverty if you have any issues but be assured that he will do everything I've asked him to do. That is, he will take action based on your political pressure. He will ensure that updated federal regulations are incorporated, while preserving the value of public lands, including the safety and enjoyment of all visitors, while enhancing local control and respecting the individuals 2nd amendment rights.
The final paragraph of Secretary Thorne's letter pretty much sums things up. The bolded text in the above paragraph is for emphasis of his main points. NPS has used the concern for "safety and enjoyment of all visitors" as their primary reason for their restrictive gun policy for years. This makes me wonder if there is a change in the works or if it will be business as usual. With the added inclusion in this letter of "enhanced local control", I see an opportunity for some improvement but Secretary Thorne has been very clear that any update will reflect additional federal restrictions as well as recognition for enhanced local control.
My original response to the post said that I thought this was a political response and I stand by that. Secretary Thorne has left enough wiggle room in his letter that he can dodge left or right depending on the political winds and never have to recant anything in this letter. But as you pointed out, "the proof is in the pudding". I will wait and see whether this is a net sum gain or loss. I would love to believe that we have a gain on the way.
- Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:27 am
- Forum: Federal
- Topic: Change in Nat'l Park Service Rules on CHLs
- Replies: 35
- Views: 5955
Re: Change in Nat'l Park Service Rules on CHLs
I've read a few federal firearms regulations and wouldn't get too excited just yet. Biggest wad of mumbo-jumbo that man has ever had the opportunity to turn into law. While it would appear that there is an opportunity for progress to be made, I'm not holding my breath until I see what actually gets proposed.
What I read in your post is a very politically worded response to a politically motivated directive. I'll be patient and see what develops before I get too excited.
Bill
What I read in your post is a very politically worded response to a politically motivated directive. I'll be patient and see what develops before I get too excited.
Bill