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jmra wrote:I was considering becoming involved in IDPA but this thread has convinced me otherwise. It is ashame that egos and internal politics always seem to rule the day.

Don't judge IDPA by this match. They're fun, good practice and for the most part, without politics.

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TxD wrote:When the MD is walking around "cocked and locked" on a cold range and some "SO's" are wearing their Police badges, you know you have walked
off the deep end.

what he said! And when it takes the SO 10 minutes to explain how he's going to call your cover PEs and the scorekeeper is on a knee behind you with one eye squinting at the corner of the wall, you know what you're in for.

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extremist wrote:First of all I agree, the rules are ahem, ridiculous in some respects. But, do the rules say "cover applies plus or minus 1 inch"? I also despise the "flinch" rule (which we called on our very own CSO/Club President on one of the stages) - 3 Sec PE. I also think the rule on not moving while reloading (you can only "pivot" a foot") is foolish, but if you move an inch, you are violating the rule and we awarded a couple of those to the earning parties.

So, do you give everyone 1 inch? How about 2 inches"? "Well you gave that guy 1 inch and you gave that guy 2 inches" will be the hue and cry. So you call them as you see them. Out is out.

Let IDPA HQ know that the cover rules were enforced too strictly at the Texas State IDPA match - I suspect the response will be "And?"

IDPA is a game of rules. It's not fair to the competitors to not enforce the rules - and enforce them fairly across the board - to Experts and to Marksman.

Regards,
James

James,
Let me say this, I'm an SO too and I know the hard work and commitment you and the others did for the match; and ya'll did a great job! Me personally, I didn't shoot bad and this is certainly not sour grapes. All I'm saying is yes there are rules and where do you draw the line? It's hard to do and also be fair and consistent which is what the IDPA SO training stresses. No different than a home plate umpire calling balls and strikes. It's a judgement call that's done in seconds and we all make mistakes. But an inch? You can gain or lose an inch depending on where the SO is standing. That's not an isolated case. Even most police will give a 5 MPH leeway. When I hear complaints from so many people saying the same thing, there's a problem.

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extremist wrote:
canvasbck wrote:I shot it. Shot well, but wished I had passed on this one. Cover calls were stupid tight. I wound up with 6PE's, exactly double the number of PE's I incurred during the last 7 sanctioned matches combined.
Well, you could think that - but as an SO on Stage 5, I can tell you we were calling cover properly and not too tight and not too loose. We awarded a lot of earned PEs on our stage.

I think the problem comes from local club matches not calling cover correctly and people come to large sanctioned matches and get called for cover. I'm not saying that was you - but that is the case a lot of times.

We still have people that come to sanctioned matches and complain they get an FTN on a swinger. "Because we never give FTNs on a swinger at our local matches"

Unfortunately, I dug myself a 20 second hole on THAT exact stage (which was MY Stage to SO which makes it more pathetic) because I ran by the target on the right and didn't engage it and then shot the no-shoot at the back.

But I still didn't end up last in my division (ESP/EX) - so some saving grace in that

James

No doubt there were shooters not used to being called for close cover, probably from lax local match play but when you have seasoned shooters, Expert class shooters, getting called over and over for cover calls, when you have a score keeper hold his finger and thumb about an inch apart and say "you were this much out of cover" which by the way wasn't a call on me but another shooter in our squad, THAT is carrying the letter of the rule and the spirit of the sport to the ridiculous. It got to the point when a shooter finished a stage someone would ask "How many cover calls did you get ?" I'm surprised some of the SOs didn't set up a laser to "accurately" make the call. Yes its a Tier 4 match and the rules have to be enforced but it was over board.

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It was in Cresson. SW of Ft. Worth.

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OK, who shot this match and what did you think of it?

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