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bdgyeah wrote:Moved here from Missouri (St. Louis). Great State. Had STLPD friends that had side jobs in realestate. I looked into flipping properties into rental properties. These guys showed me around to different buying properties in different neighborhoods. Without going into too much detail, the conversation went like this, "Buy properties on this street between this street and this street. Or, buy here, but not across the street over there." The only thing I was thinking is, how do you train bullets not to cross the street? Said no thank you, and moved South. STL is a garbage town.

Senator Claire Mckaskill is in big trouble in MO in 2 yrs. Chalk up another Senate seat to the GOP.

St. Louis city is garbage. Jefferson County that borders St. Louis county is very pro gun though. St. Louis County and Jefferson county has a lot of great gun shops and ranges too with more going up all the time it seems. Plenty of indoor ranges in the area as well as Arnold Pistol and Rifle Club.

I will say compared to the west coast of Florida, St. Louis area has a ton more better ranges than gun shops compared to down here in Florida. The ranges down here are a joke.

Have you ever been to Stl Sharpshooter in south St. Louis county in Afton? Only been around for just over 2 years now. Excellent indoor range, one of the best indoor ranges around.

Here in FL about 1 hour south of me they have an indoor range similar in size to stl sharpshooter. If you want to shoot rifle calibers in there you must buy the $5000 presidential membership LOL. Stl sharpshooter $270 a year and I could shoot whatever handgun or rifle I wanted.

Missouri is a very pro gun state though. St. Louis is a liberal pimple on a very conservative state.

I was surprised Trump won Jefferson County so big. Jefferson County used to lean democrat, but conservative type Democrat which you used to see in rural Missouri, and up until recently Kentucky conservative type democrats. Now those seats have went republican.

The media calls Florida a pro gun state, but it's really not pro gun when you compare it to Missouri and Texas. FL 3 day wait for pistol purchases if no ccw, no open carry, is a felony to carry in some prohibited places unlike Missouri where you would just get a citation, and no constitutional carry like Missouri will soon have. Our laws in FL are complex. I really have to watch what type of pistol I carry down here because I don't want to print or my shirt lift up and someone calls 911 saying I was open carrying. In Missouri I didn't care what size gun I wore because it is an open carry state.

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FloridaViaMissouri wrote:I'm still amazed how Trump won by 19 in MO, quite a bit better than Texas did. I just wouldn't think that would ever be possible.

I wonder if it's some ccw instructors don't like the idea of permitless carry simply because of $$$$. On veto override day Demanding Mom's had a rally at the capital and had a ccw instructor speaking about why he thought permitless carry was a bad idea. Some instructors don't like the idea of it obviously. I've heard in MO there is an instructor offering classes about Missouri's new permitless carry lol.

Could that be a problem in Texas because of all the instructors that would lose money because of the law?

Not even close. We have a couple of fruitcake groups that think they can advance "constitutional carry" by parading around in public with AR-15s (which is legal). On top of that, most of them dress like either a mall ninja or a homeless person and behave militantly, frequently falling just (barely) short of being threatening.

Scaring soccer moms is not the way to advance the cause. You can't tell them that, though, because they will loudly accuse you of being anti-gun.

What is the makeup of the Texas House and Senate? Do they have super majorities? Missouri House after this election is 117-46 and 25-9 in the Senate with every state office holder except state auditor is Republican now. Should be VERY easy to pass campus carry with Eric Greitens since fence sitting republicans can simply sit out or vote against it since they don't have to worry about needing to override a veto.

I'm still amazed how Trump won by 19 in MO, quite a bit better than Texas did. I just wouldn't think that would ever be possible.

I wonder if it's some ccw instructors don't like the idea of permitless carry simply because of $$$$. On veto override day Demanding Mom's had a rally at the capital and had a ccw instructor speaking about why he thought permitless carry was a bad idea. Some instructors don't like the idea of it obviously. I've heard in MO there is an instructor offering classes about Missouri's new permitless carry lol.

Could that be a problem in Texas because of all the instructors that would lose money because of the law?

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FloridaViaMissouri wrote:If I recall in 2014 in the big pro gun bill that passed something was included to allow for MO ccw permits to be used in place of NICS but Chris Koster nor did anyone follow through and the ATF acts clueless when asked about it.

Here in Florida we don't have NICS bypass because our ccw permits are good for 7 years. We have a state level NICS here in FL which sucks because they always seem to have longer wait times than the federal NICS that seems faster.

Texas has a pro gun governor. Any chance permitless conceal carry gets passed there?

Not in the foreseeable future. There are a couple of "out there" groups in Texas that have poisoned that well.

You mean like Mom's Demand Action? They keep trying to stop pro gun stuff in Missouri but lost twice in 2014 and lost huge this year. They mean nothing in that state.

SigM4 wrote:Not really a state government thing, but I'd love to see MO's CWP strengthened in order to allow for bypassing the call to NICS when purchasing a firearm. While it's never been an issue since we've been up here, I can remember several times in the last decade that I was glad I had it in Texas. Especially after the 2012 election and Sandy Hook. While others were waiting just to get through for a NICS check I was able to walk out the door with a firearm, no muss, no fuss.

With Josh Hawley the next attorney general maybe he will get on the ball with it.

Not much more work is needed to get Missouri at the very bottom of the Brady scorecard. I think it was ranked 44th last time. Campus carry should get it to near number 50 since it's permitless carry state now.

If I recall in 2014 in the big pro gun bill that passed something was included to allow for MO ccw permits to be used in place of NICS but Chris Koster nor did anyone follow through and the ATF acts clueless when asked about it.

Here in Florida we don't have NICS bypass because our ccw permits are good for 7 years. We have a state level NICS here in FL which sucks because they always seem to have longer wait times than the federal NICS that seems faster.

Texas has a pro gun governor. Any chance permitless conceal carry gets passed there?

So Missouri a higher percentage of voters voted for Trump than Texas did! 19 points! Also Missouri Republicans won all the major offices except state auditor because there was no election this year for it. Also they maintained their large super majorities of 117 republicans in the house and 25 Republicans in the senate which will go down to 24 due to Parsons becoming Lt governor but will go back up once someone is elected in his place since he's in a republican area.

Missouri has permitless concealed carry but with a Republican governor this is huge. It will be much easier to pass campus carry, and also get rid of some of the gun free zones that are listed in MO statues such as campus carry, stadium carry as well as carry on mass transit because they can easily have the moderate republicans to not vote for them since they won't have to worry about overriding any vetoes. I would also like to see full permitless OPEN carry. Most of Missouri you can open carry without a permit, but there are a few cities that have ordinances against it but MO law allows ccw holders to carry open anywhere. That shouldn't be a problem. Even St. Louis city prosecutor admitted recently they don't enforce the open carry ordinances anymore due to amendment 5 that passed.

Texas has a lot of work to do to catch up to states such as Missouri and Arizona now. I'm here in Florida and our gun laws are garbage compared to you guys in Texas and Missouri especially! Here in Florida we got 3 day wait for handguns if no cwp, no open carry, AND unlike in Texas and in Missouri Floridian's are only allowed to carry on FL permits. So no getting an Arizona permit to save money or having a backup permit.

I'm impressed though how Missouri Trump did so well in compared to Texas. Clinton got just under 38 percent of the vote in MO. Out of 114 counties she only won 3 counties and the city of St. Louis. In a number of rural Missouri counties Trump got over 80 percent of the votes.

http://enr.sos.mo.gov/EnrNet/default.aspx