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Liberty wrote:

srothstein wrote: BTW, I support the property owner's right to ban weapons, even with LEO's. I don't know how he can differentiate between on duty and off or official business or not, but if he can figure it out, go for it.

If 30.06 would apply to LEOs I bet we would see fewer signs.

flintknapper wrote:

lawrnk wrote:

Keith B wrote:

lawrnk wrote: Being an organics shop he does not get many LEO's in his shop, other than holidays when they shop for their wives.

Good thing he doesn't own a donut shop!!!!

SDA's are health nuts. no meat, mostly organic home grown veggies. No TV, etc. They are sorta like Mennonites.


They are very anti-gun though

http://news.adventist.org/data/2001/01/ ... ex.html.en

For sake of clarity....I would like to state that the above is largely untrue.

SDA's do have a health message....and many practice good dietary habits, but roughly half of the world membership eat meat...there is no prohibition as a point of doctrine.

I do not personally know of any Adventists that do not have a TV or do not watch it. (Not on Sabbath except religious content)...but otherwise yes. Where do you think they get their news?

I will be happy to show you hundreds of Adventists who not only support your 2nd amendment rights, but own and shoot guns on a regular basis.

The link you posted is in reference to warring factions in the Solomon Islands, and has nothing to do with any position the church may have about firearms.

Lastly, they are really not anything like the Mennonite's. But that should get a good laugh at church this weekend.

Just wanted to make this clear.....I know its a bit off topic.

txinvestigator wrote:

lawrnk wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:

lawrnk wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:

lawrnk wrote:I believe you are wrong.
My wife's uncle is seventh day adventist. He owns a organics shop and has worked with his lawyer to ban any weapon on his property, including LEO.

I hate his policy, but as a private business owner, you do have certain rights.

txinvestigator wrote:I got confused. How did the LEO rreference come up? 30.06 does not apply to LEOs.

30.05 does not apply to Peace Officer OR Special Investigators

(g) This section does not apply if:
(1) the basis on which entry on the property or land or
in the building was forbidden is that entry with a handgun or other
weapon was forbidden; and
(2) the actor at the time of the offense was a peace
officer, including a commissioned peace officer of a recognized
state, or a special investigator under Article 2.122, Code of
Criminal Procedure, regardless of whether the peace officer or
special investigator was engaged in the actual discharge of an
official duty while carrying the weapon.

It is not possible for Taco Cabana to keep Peace Officer or FBI agents from carry firearms inside thier stores.

I would be interested to see ho they did that. Someone calls and claim that your wife's uncle assaulted him in the shop. How in the world do you think they are going to keep the cop out?

I am referring to persons casually entering the store. I am certain if an assault or anything with probable cause would override his gun ban easily.
I've never asked him about that, but I'm certain he is aware.

He CANNOT keep LEO's out based solely on them carrying a weapon; regardless of what you may be told. He can ask that no cops come in his store except for official purposes.

Cops do not enter his business with their firearms. He has yet to have one visit for official purposes, yet. He is in a small town with a handful of cops. Everybody knows. I'm pretty sure you just repeated what I already said above.

Has a uniformed cop ever walked in with an empty holster? Of course not. Your wife's uncle's attorney cannot override state law.

He MIGHT have had meetings with the Police Chief, who agreed to ask his guys not to patronize the place while armed. However, unless the uncle in law excludes all cops, then no charge could be made if he allows unarmed cops in but tries to exclude armed cops.

txinvestigator wrote:

lawrnk wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:

lawrnk wrote:I believe you are wrong.
My wife's uncle is seventh day adventist. He owns a organics shop and has worked with his lawyer to ban any weapon on his property, including LEO.

I hate his policy, but as a private business owner, you do have certain rights.

txinvestigator wrote:I got confused. How did the LEO rreference come up? 30.06 does not apply to LEOs.

30.05 does not apply to Peace Officer OR Special Investigators

(g) This section does not apply if:
(1) the basis on which entry on the property or land or
in the building was forbidden is that entry with a handgun or other
weapon was forbidden; and
(2) the actor at the time of the offense was a peace
officer, including a commissioned peace officer of a recognized
state, or a special investigator under Article 2.122, Code of
Criminal Procedure, regardless of whether the peace officer or
special investigator was engaged in the actual discharge of an
official duty while carrying the weapon.

It is not possible for Taco Cabana to keep Peace Officer or FBI agents from carry firearms inside thier stores.

I would be interested to see ho they did that. Someone calls and claim that your wife's uncle assaulted him in the shop. How in the world do you think they are going to keep the cop out?

I am referring to persons casually entering the store. I am certain if an assault or anything with probable cause would override his gun ban easily.
I've never asked him about that, but I'm certain he is aware.

He CANNOT keep LEO's out based solely on them carrying a weapon; regardless of what you may be told. He can ask that no cops come in his store except for official purposes.

Keith B wrote:

lawrnk wrote: Being an organics shop he does not get many LEO's in his shop, other than holidays when they shop for their wives.

Good thing he doesn't own a donut shop!!!!

txinvestigator wrote:

lawrnk wrote:I believe you are wrong.
My wife's uncle is seventh day adventist. He owns a organics shop and has worked with his lawyer to ban any weapon on his property, including LEO.

I hate his policy, but as a private business owner, you do have certain rights.

txinvestigator wrote:I got confused. How did the LEO rreference come up? 30.06 does not apply to LEOs.

30.05 does not apply to Peace Officer OR Special Investigators

(g) This section does not apply if:
(1) the basis on which entry on the property or land or
in the building was forbidden is that entry with a handgun or other
weapon was forbidden; and
(2) the actor at the time of the offense was a peace
officer, including a commissioned peace officer of a recognized
state, or a special investigator under Article 2.122, Code of
Criminal Procedure, regardless of whether the peace officer or
special investigator was engaged in the actual discharge of an
official duty while carrying the weapon.

It is not possible for Taco Cabana to keep Peace Officer or FBI agents from carry firearms inside thier stores.

I would be interested to see ho they did that. Someone calls and claim that your wife's uncle assaulted him in the shop. How in the world do you think they are going to keep the cop out?

GrillKing wrote:

txinvestigator wrote: It is not possible for Taco Cabana to keep Peace Officer or FBI agents from carry firearms inside thier stores.

How about: "Do you have a warrant or are you here on official business? If not, I'm asking you to leave."

Nothing to do with firearms....

BTW, I'm not supporting this. If I owned a business, I'd want LEOs as customers. Money is green and it's free security!! And I like cops....

txinvestigator wrote:I got confused. How did the LEO rreference come up? 30.06 does not apply to LEOs.

30.05 does not apply to Peace Officer OR Special Investigators

(g) This section does not apply if:
(1) the basis on which entry on the property or land or
in the building was forbidden is that entry with a handgun or other
weapon was forbidden; and
(2) the actor at the time of the offense was a peace
officer, including a commissioned peace officer of a recognized
state, or a special investigator under Article 2.122, Code of
Criminal Procedure, regardless of whether the peace officer or
special investigator was engaged in the actual discharge of an
official duty while carrying the weapon.

It is not possible for Taco Cabana to keep Peace Officer or FBI agents from carry firearms inside thier stores.

KBCraig wrote:

Lucky45 wrote:

Renegade wrote:Also, since FBI Agents are not Peace Officers, it appears they, along with other Special Investigators are banned from carrying there. Well, at least us CHLs are in good company.....

In a nutshell, if they are ON-DUTY then they can carry. If they are OFF-DUTY, then they have to obey PC30.06 like everyone else.

Actually, it's questionable if 30.06 applies to non-TCLEOSE federal LEOs who are covered by LEOSA (FBI, U.S. Marshals, Bureau of Prisons, Border Patrol, DoD police, etc., etc., etc.), because 30.06 refers specifically to CHLs.

Personally, as a member of that group, I observe 30.06 signs, which isn't a problem since I seldom have reason to go to posted locations (I only know of two in Texarkana; I might have to go to the hospital, but I don't have to patronize Red River credit union!)

Kevin

fiftycal wrote:I emailed Taco Cabana about their policy on 30.06 signs. I received this in response.

I am Vice President, Associate General Counsel for Taco Cabana and I am writing because I received your April 16,2007, comment to the company regarding our Concealed Handguns Policy.

First, let me tell you that I appreciate your patronage and that you took the time to let us know how you feel about our policy.

I understand that anyone licensed to carry a concealed weapon has undergone a significant amount of screening and training. I also understand that each of us has concerns about our safety and wellbeing. Taco Cabana has made a decision based on a number of competing factors, to prohibit all weapons from our premises. I believe it is the best we can do to keep our customers and employees safe.

I have confirmed that our interior sign is in full compliance with the posting regulations. In addition, we have placed a smaller courtesy sign on the front door so that patrons are informed of the policy prior to entering the store.

Thank you again for taking the time to let us know how you feel. I know we may not be in agreement on the best method to ensure safety. However, we respect your opinion as our customer and hope that you will continue as our customer and respect our decision.

Sincerely


Shanna M. Garcia
Vice President, Associate General Counsel


So Taco Cabana is an official VICTIM DISARMAMENT ZONE. No chl and NO COPS! It's maybe one thing to ban chl. But to ban COPS? I sure wouldn't trust my safety to a place like that. Not even in the drive thru lane.