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WildRose wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:17 am

MaduroBU wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:04 pm

canvasbck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:16 am

MaduroBU wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:53 pm It's wrong when crowds of idiots surround Cruz or McConnell at dinner and it's wrong when one idiot shows up at a Bonnen's door. Those activities are personal and outside of acceptable political discourse and should be mocked and punished as necessary.

Please enlighten me on what is considered acceptable political discourse.

The guy was passing out flyers in a neighborhood. He didn't even set foot on Bonnen's property. I admit that had the troopers not volunteered to place the flyer, he probably would have left one on his door. OK...........aaaaaaaannnnnddddd???

Flyers are left on my vehicle all the time, I have never felt threatened because of it. They aren't left on my door because I have gates on my driveway, flyers have been left on my gate. I either read them or throw them away. No harm, no foul.

The other side is encouraged BY LAWMAKERS to harass members of POTUS' administration "wherever you see them", yet passing out flyers is too extreme for "our" side??? This attitude is the way to lose in the court of public opinion.

Antifa attacking Cruz and McConnell during the Kavanaugh hearings was obscene. Taking a firm stand against that sort of ludicrous behavior is important, and to me, that stand includes condemnation of folks who show up at the homes of government officials.

Oh good gravy, what McNutt did is in no way similar to the radical leftists showing up to riot and intimidate Cruz and others at their homes.

Bonnen and others feel completely insulated from the people they rule over. Peacefully and politely dropping off fliers at their homes and in their neighborhoods does not threaten them in any way, it simply reminds them that their actions in Austin hit the rest of us right where we live and that they are responsible to us.

I disagree. At BEST, McNutt's actions were ineffective and at worst they give Bonnen cover to renege on promises. If Bonnen keeps votes because he successfully lies to the gun owners in his district about McNutt's actions, McNutt still screwed up. Political speech that depends upon politicians acting in an honest and upright manner is the worst kind of stupid, regardless of its intentions. Showing up in a public figure's yard is foolhardy and grossly counterproductive. It costs our cause moderate votes and it's in bad taste.

canvasbck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:16 am

MaduroBU wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:53 pm It's wrong when crowds of idiots surround Cruz or McConnell at dinner and it's wrong when one idiot shows up at a Bonnen's door. Those activities are personal and outside of acceptable political discourse and should be mocked and punished as necessary.

Please enlighten me on what is considered acceptable political discourse.

The guy was passing out flyers in a neighborhood. He didn't even set foot on Bonnen's property. I admit that had the troopers not volunteered to place the flyer, he probably would have left one on his door. OK...........aaaaaaaannnnnddddd???

Flyers are left on my vehicle all the time, I have never felt threatened because of it. They aren't left on my door because I have gates on my driveway, flyers have been left on my gate. I either read them or throw them away. No harm, no foul.

The other side is encouraged BY LAWMAKERS to harass members of POTUS' administration "wherever you see them", yet passing out flyers is too extreme for "our" side??? This attitude is the way to lose in the court of public opinion.

Antifa attacking Cruz and McConnell during the Kavanaugh hearings was obscene. Taking a firm stand against that sort of ludicrous behavior is important, and to me, that stand includes condemnation of folks who show up at the homes of government officials.

You have a vote and money. Tell a politician that you're a member of his or her party and that you're going to start voting and or donating to the other side as a result of a specific action.

I gave Cruz money vs. BETO and now his people contact me so often that I worry that his wife ought to know about it. DPS troopers escorting you off some guy's sidewalk has a zero percent chance of changing his mind to your cause and makes you look like a militant stalker. Further, when that behavior is publicized it paints your entire cause with that brush AND gives liars like Bonnen essentially free reign to throw your cause under the bus. Bonnen is now blameless before all of the gun owners who are only peripherally following his actions; McNutt's stupidity absolved Bonnen before most of his voters, even if Bonnen did turn his back on us and lied about McNutt's exact actions.

baytownb wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:06 am

MaduroBU wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:53 pm It's wrong when crowds of idiots surround Cruz or McConnell at dinner and it's wrong when one idiot shows up at a Bonnen's door. Those activities are personal and outside of acceptable political discourse and should be mocked and punished as necessary.

Bonnen's lies are immaterial to McNutt's foolishness.

Precisely what is "personal" and "outside of acceptable political discourse"? Passing out flyers to contact the speaker and other key politicians to support a gun rights issue or him walking up to DPS and handing them a flyer to put on his door along with the hundreds of others he was passing out while never stepping foot on his property? Which one of those two known actions is so horrible to you? Have you ever said it was "personal" and "outside of acceptable political discourse" when the same politicians come to our houses with political material? If not why do you think politicians have special privileges to engage in what you call "personal and outside of acceptable political discourse"?

State elected officials all maintain "contact me" options online. Mcnutt may not like that, but that's the accepted pathway. Showing up at a stranger's door from across the state is not "handing out fliers, and we would all condemn that behavior if anti gun nutters did it to pro gun Congressmen.

It's wrong when crowds of idiots surround Cruz or McConnell at dinner and it's wrong when one idiot shows up at a Bonnen's door. Those activities are personal and outside of acceptable political discourse and should be mocked and punished as necessary.

Bonnen's lies are immaterial to McNutt's foolishness.