boomerang,
I'm responding to the thread as it evolves...
I appreciate that I'm somewhat pugnacious when it comes to Americans who seem to think it perfectly reasonable to comply with what isn't required by law. To even promote it ...
Americans as a group condemn our continuing loss of freedoms in a variety of avenues, but to seemingly not only acquiesce, but meekly promote, is a head shaker for me.
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- Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:23 pm
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- Topic: Why Hand Over CHL If You're Not Carrying?
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- Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:03 am
- Forum: New to CHL?
- Topic: Why Hand Over CHL If You're Not Carrying?
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Re: Why Hand Over CHL If You're Not Carrying?
Somewhere in the area of "Give Me Liberty or Give Me ..." I just can't hand over a portion of my rights because I might run into an uniformed LEO who might do the wrong thing.
This scenario (meekly handing over your CHL when not required to) leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Such a scenario vaguely reminds of Nazi Germany: Your papers, now!!
No, I'm not going to exercise what's NOT required by law in advance of what might happen because a government agent might not be well informed as he should be or doesn't personally agree with the law.
This type citizen behavior, willingly performed, is the type precedent I don't want LEO's to eventually expect.
Does this willingness to perform what I'm not required to perform put me at risk for a ride in a cop car? Perhaps, but I don't live in a police state and I'm not going to act like I do. Bowing in the direction of an incompetent or malicious LEO is something I'm not going to do.
At what point do we as Americans stand up for ourselves when we're in the right?
Our forefathers would be aghast at citizens behaving in such a manner towards officialdom.
This scenario (meekly handing over your CHL when not required to) leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Such a scenario vaguely reminds of Nazi Germany: Your papers, now!!
No, I'm not going to exercise what's NOT required by law in advance of what might happen because a government agent might not be well informed as he should be or doesn't personally agree with the law.
This type citizen behavior, willingly performed, is the type precedent I don't want LEO's to eventually expect.
Does this willingness to perform what I'm not required to perform put me at risk for a ride in a cop car? Perhaps, but I don't live in a police state and I'm not going to act like I do. Bowing in the direction of an incompetent or malicious LEO is something I'm not going to do.
At what point do we as Americans stand up for ourselves when we're in the right?
Our forefathers would be aghast at citizens behaving in such a manner towards officialdom.
- Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:42 am
- Forum: New to CHL?
- Topic: Why Hand Over CHL If You're Not Carrying?
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Why Hand Over CHL If You're Not Carrying?
When traffic stopped by an LEO some here think it courteous to hand over their CHL in addition to their DL - when NOT armed.
If the law states such is not required, why do it?
Personally, I'm kind of uncomfortable doing something like that. It could be misinterpreted...and in some indefinable way makes me feel like I'm groveling a bit.
How is it courteous? (I'm not debating that it isn't - that's what I'm trying to find out)
My original instructor advised us NOT to do such. He told stories of LEO's responding angrily when handed an unrequested CHL and telling the CHL holder he DIDN'T ask for the CHL, just the driver's license and if he'd wanted the CHL he would've said so.
So, have things changed in this regard?
Thanks
If the law states such is not required, why do it?
Personally, I'm kind of uncomfortable doing something like that. It could be misinterpreted...and in some indefinable way makes me feel like I'm groveling a bit.
How is it courteous? (I'm not debating that it isn't - that's what I'm trying to find out)
My original instructor advised us NOT to do such. He told stories of LEO's responding angrily when handed an unrequested CHL and telling the CHL holder he DIDN'T ask for the CHL, just the driver's license and if he'd wanted the CHL he would've said so.
So, have things changed in this regard?
Thanks