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TAM,

A cogent explanation.

Thank you for taking the time.

You posted: "Abraham, ok, I understand your question better. It isn't "what are the odds of discovery", it's "what would happen in the unlikely event of discovery"......am I right?

You are right!

I'm concerned about the potential consequences with the ill informed, blustery, as they are out there, not the rational, well informed officer.

And, as you described, there's no fighting the irrational except as far as I know, later in court...

We've knocked the ideas about and for me it's a good bet that carrying a concealed Bond, James Bond rifle is actually a reasonable idea where necessary.

No question, we geezers can't scramble around on the ground and vanquish young thugs as once we could, so what to do?

Stay armed, even in 30.06 locations, with necessities like the Sub2k.

ScottDLS,

The "ham sandwich" prosecutor was Sam Waterston.

O.K. it wasn't, but he did bat the "ham sandwich" indictment idea around.

rotor,

You posted: "If they want to keep rifles out they would need a "No Firearms" sign."

Does a sign like that hold the force of law?

I know if I don't see a 30.06 sign, but a sign with a pistol circled & slashed I can ignore it.

How is a "No firearms" sign different?

Does it carry the same weight of a 30.06 sign?

rotor,

"Now if the sign said no firearms than trespass laws would apply."

Are you sure?

I'm thinking such signs can't be enforced by law, but it's an interesting point.

Thinking about the "rifle/30.06 loophole" I also wonder what would happen if you had to defend yourself against a criminal/terrorist say in a hospital.

If you have to shoot in self defense are you going to be prosecuted for using a firearm in a 30.06 location?
You used a rifle, right, I get it, but they posted 30.06 to keep firearms at bay. Now, I can see some overzealous anti-gun prosecutor going for the jugular.

Unlikely?

Hhhhmmmmm, maybe or not...

nightmare69,

Do you know why an SBR is banned in a 30.06 location?

TAM & Jusme,

What might be the consequences if an armed security guard at a 30.06 location discovers you're packing a rifle in a 30.06 posted location? Think he'll be well schooled in Texas LTC law?

Yes, I'm trying to think of all the possible hurdles that I might have to leap if I decide to go with a Sub2k in 30.06 locations, and if I do, I'll let you know, and from then on we can all introduce ourselves as: Bond, James Bond!

TAM,

I posted: "Am I the only one to think if one is discovered by a LE officer (unlikely, but certainly not impossible) with a sub2K (or something similar) in a 30.06 posted location one might be taking "The Ride"?"

"Unlikely, but certainly not impossible" is of course what I hoped would also be noticed.

Murphy's law has a way of making events that seem impossible or close to it, possible...

That being said, I'm interested in knowing the opinions/possible outcome of what is likely to transpire "if" one is discovered by LE to be concealed carrying a Sub2k or similar rifle in a 30.06 posted location?

Nothing?

Have the Sub2K seized with a giant hassle getting it returned?

Be escorted out of the building with no further ramification.

Take the ride?

Or...?

Why do I ask?

Because I'm considering doing what you and some others are doing if I buy a Sub2k i.e., taking it with me in a computer bag/briefcase into 30.06 locations - but only if I know in advance what will happen (chances are remote, but again, not impossible) if I'm discovered with a firearm in a 30.06 posted location. (yes, a Sukb2000 is not a handgun, but is a firearm)

The ill informed or overzealous LE officer may not take my possession of a concealed firearm in a 30.06 location very kindly or act within the law. He doesn't know me. I could be a lone nut case out to do harm...

With a lawyer, much expense and time, I'll probably be exonerated, but is that something I want to face if things go south?

You think the chance of being discovered concealed carrying a rifle in a 30.06 location is very close to nil, but I have to think you aren't 100% certain absolutely nothing negative would happen to you if the long arm of the law were to discover Mr. Harmless Grandpa is packing heat...yes, it's a rifle, not a handgun, but it may also create major hassle if discovered.

Jusme,

Just as 30.06 locations are being posted with signs at inappropriate governmental locations while these governmental employees simultaneously thumb their nose at our AG, so too can there be overzealous LE officers taking inappropriate measures.

One of the major considerations I see with you and TAM is the thinking that says no LE officer would have reason to check your bag. OK, why would it be a concern if they did? Why bother considering if it's of no consequence?

Because the trouble you can't get in, you're concealed carrying a rifle, not a handgun, may just occur...

ScottDLS,

It's too early to start drinking!

And, I'm not a "ham" sandwich, I'm a roast beef sandwich with lots of onions.

Am I the only one to think if one is discovered by an LE officer (unlikely, but certainly not impossible) with a sub2K (or something similar) in a 30.06 posted location one might be taking "The Ride"?

Or, is everyone (but me...) convinced there's absolutely, positively, no possibility of a problem if one is discovered with a firearm in a 30.06 location, because technically speaking you're legal, cuz ya know, it's not a handgun, it's a rifle?

bblhd672,

Unfortunately, you aren't going to be the one to make that determination.

While we both appreciate that a rifle is not a handgun, I wouldn't want to test (if discovered) my technical assurance of innocence against some angry LE who upon discovering my rifle in a 30.06 environment can be assumed to be A-OK with it...or recognize I'm in the right.

Yes, ultimately I think carrying a rifle in a handgun verboten area (30.06) is legal, you still might encounter a massive amount of grief before being exonerated...

Or, maybe I'm simply being pessimistic and nothing of consequence would happen upon being discovered carrying a rifle in a 30.06 environment, but I doubt it...

I wonder if some overzealous LE upon discovering you're carrying a concealed rifle while in a 30.06 posted location might treat you the same as if you "were" carrying a handgun arguing while you're not carrying a handgun per se, logic says you're breaking the spirit of 30.06 as it's obvious they don't want visitors carrying firearms into their place of business whether they be handguns or rifles...?

Or, upon looking at the Sub2000 (as an example) argue it "is" a hand gun in their opinion, just a bigger handgun...

Or, nah, this would never be a problem if LE discovered you were carrying a small rifle, thus 30.06 doesn't apply and you can happily carry away...

Frankly, and I hope I'm wrong, but I can see some (not all) LE having a conniption if they discover you're carrying something like a Sub2000 in a 30.06 location.

TAM,

Have you fed your new baby any JHP"s and if so, how well did they perform?

And the gen differences are...?