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by apvonkanel
Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:34 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you refuse to do business with 30.06 & 30.07 businesses?
Replies: 79
Views: 15836

Re: Do you refuse to do business with 30.06 & 30.07 businesses?

Rhino1 wrote: I see 30.07 in a different light. As someone posted earlier in this thread, i don't see 30.07 by itself as anti-gun. A good example is the Gringo restaurant chain in Houston. The owner is very pro-gun and 2A but, because of the previously mentioned group, has posted his restaurants 30.07. His son even owns a gun store in Deer Park.
Which store in DP?
by apvonkanel
Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:04 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you refuse to do business with 30.06 & 30.07 businesses?
Replies: 79
Views: 15836

Re: Do you refuse to do business with 30.06 & 30.07 businesses?

Liberty wrote:
apvonkanel wrote:
I think your sentiment regarding 30.07 is spot on. I would even go so far as to say that 30.06 does not explicitly mean anti-gun. It's an "All chickens are birds, but not all birds are chickens" situation. To some 30.07 is dress-code to some it's political. While I would say that most 30.06 is anti-gun, I can't say that every single business posting 30.06 is anti-gun. Until I speak with the person on whom the final decision rested I can't say that I know why they posted it. I can assume that it's usually anti-gun, but to assume that it's always anti-gun is to assume that I know everything about the business. 30.07 can be anti-gun, or it can be smart business. Honestly, I don't blame a business that wants to keep revenue from both the moderately pro 2A and moderately anti-gun sides. 30.07 (without 30.06) only alienates the more severe advocates of either side, while maintaining the bulk of a customer base. Unless you started a business purely on constitutional principal, I assume you wanted some revenue from the business. Finding a compromise that maintains the largest customer base is just financially sound.

That being said: since the bulk of my revenue does not come from a business I own, anything I'm saying is just armchair QB talk anyway.
I always thought that most 30.07 signs are pretty silly. I don't see Walmart or Krogers losing any money because they haven't posted signs. There are a lot fewer rabid anti's her than most of us believe, but I do believe that HEB has lost some customers over these signs. Maybe just a very small percentage, but no retail business likes to lose even a small percentage of customers.
Really, unless we review financials, we can only go off what what we see from our peers. Considering most of my social circle isn't anti-gun, I don't know how many anti-gun people avoid Kroger or Walmart, but I do know that only the most rabid of my peers avoid HEB because they can't OC.
by apvonkanel
Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:37 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you refuse to do business with 30.06 & 30.07 businesses?
Replies: 79
Views: 15836

Re: Do you refuse to do business with 30.06 & 30.07 businesses?

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Glock4ever wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:
Glock4ever wrote:
The Wall wrote:Only the 30.06 ones.
What's the logic in that?
What's the logic in assuming that all LTC holders open carry every day? I am all for open carry and do so myself about 50% of the time, but I am understanding of someone's desire that I not open carry in their business........MUCH more so that I am understand of their desire to ban ALL carry in their business. If I am open carrying on that day, I'll cover it up. Don't make me no never mind. What's so hard to understand about that?
Not hard to understand... If you want to give your money to businesses that are anti gun and have 30.07 go ahead and do that.
Go back and reread the edit to my post that I made while you were posting this response.

30.07 does not mean ANTI gun, by the way. That's a false dichotomy.
I think your sentiment regarding 30.07 is spot on. I would even go so far as to say that 30.06 does not explicitly mean anti-gun. It's an "All chickens are birds, but not all birds are chickens" situation. To some 30.07 is dress-code to some it's political. While I would say that most 30.06 is anti-gun, I can't say that every single business posting 30.06 is anti-gun. Until I speak with the person on whom the final decision rested I can't say that I know why they posted it. I can assume that it's usually anti-gun, but to assume that it's always anti-gun is to assume that I know everything about the business. 30.07 can be anti-gun, or it can be smart business. Honestly, I don't blame a business that wants to keep revenue from both the moderately pro 2A and moderately anti-gun sides. 30.07 (without 30.06) only alienates the more severe advocates of either side, while maintaining the bulk of a customer base. Unless you started a business purely on constitutional principal, I assume you wanted some revenue from the business. Finding a compromise that maintains the largest customer base is just financially sound.

That being said: since the bulk of my revenue does not come from a business I own, anything I'm saying is just armchair QB talk anyway.
by apvonkanel
Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:31 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you refuse to do business with 30.06 & 30.07 businesses?
Replies: 79
Views: 15836

Re: Do you refuse to do business with 30.06 & 30.07 businesses?

Personally, I generally avoid 30.06 out of convenience, but 30.07 doesn't really matter too much to me.
Being a big fan of liberty, I don't protest those private businesses that respectfully exercise their own liberty. When I say I avoid 30.06 out of convenience, I don't feel like disarming if I can avoid it. If a business posts a 30.07 and leaves it at that I'm fine because I generally conceal. My local gun smith asks that people don't open carry walking in to the store out of respect for more skittish customers and other businesses in the same strip. No problem. Essentially, if the business follows Wheaton's Law [linked image removed], I have no problem with them and treat it as I would any other issue of convenience. Can i get it somewhere closer? Can i get a better version somewhere else? Can I get it conveniently without disarming?

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