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by Keith B
Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:35 pm
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: Why Hand Over CHL If You're Not Carrying?
Replies: 42
Views: 5123

Re: Why Hand Over CHL If You're Not Carrying?

flintknapper wrote: I mean...do officers go on a heightened state of alert to learn there is gun present (other than their own). If so, then the best thing to do would be to treat everyone as armed and dangerous until proven otherwise.

If I do NOT present my CHL (and the officer knows the law) then he/she must draw one of two conclusions:
1. I don't have my weapon with me (so didn't present the license as per the law).
2. I do have my weapon but forgot to show I.D. or have some sinister reason not to.

I would much prefer that LEO's assume that law abiding CHL's simply do not have their weapon with them, then to suspect otherwise (assuming no other suspicious activity).

Frankly, I just don't see how knowing a CHL is armed or not benefits the officer in anyway.

I can see where the officer knowing the person is a CHL holder "might" put them at ease a bit....as most are law abiding/reasonable citizens.

For one thing, unless the officer physically confirms (takes control of/or establishes presence) that a firearm exists then he is just taking the word of the CHL.

As far as disarming the CHL holder, the officer unwittingly places him/herself in a position to be ambushed unless they hold you at gun point, remove you from the vehicle, and disarm you "from the position".

It's ridiculous IMO, that we need to show I.D. or disclose our status (armed/unarmed) for a simple traffic stop. It is not required of those carrying under the Motorist Protection Act.
One officer did say that while he would probably assume you were not carrying, he now has a couple of questions in his mind:

1. Is the individual actually carrying and just accidentally forgot to present his CHL?
2. Is the individual carrying, and trying to hide something?

All of them did state they would come back and state they noticed you had a CHL and ask if you were carrying anyway, so they are going to find out unless you lie (which no good guy is gonna do right?)

I know we should be looked upon as totally law abiding citizens since we have clean records to the our licenses, but I think sometimes the nature of the LEO has to be on the side of suspicion; it has to come with the job. I think it just puts them at ease that you were willing to provide them the info voluntarily and that you are not someone who might be trying to hide something. Right, wrong or indifferent, that seems to be the way it is for the LEO's I have asked.
by Keith B
Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:50 pm
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: Why Hand Over CHL If You're Not Carrying?
Replies: 42
Views: 5123

Re: Why Hand Over CHL If You're Not Carrying?

To bring this back on topic, I have been canvasing any LEO I have had the opportunity to ask about their preference. Out of 9 officers, 8 said while they know it is no the law, they like, and actually prefer it, if the driver presents their CHL initially whether carrying or not. The 9th officer said it didn't really make him any difference, but it would be more convenient than him having to come back and ask if you are carrying since it shows up on the DL run.

One of the officers was the PIO (Public Information Officer) for a local PD and he said that most of the officers he knows feel that way.

So, while it is not the law, and they know it and will accept that fact, my thought is it may gain you points with the officer to be forthcoming. I just say 'I just want to let you know I am a CHL holder since it will come up when you run my license, but am not carrying at the present time." YMMV depending on what you were doing to get stopped. ;-)
by Keith B
Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:51 am
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: Why Hand Over CHL If You're Not Carrying?
Replies: 42
Views: 5123

Re: Why Hand Over CHL If You're Not Carrying?

There have been HUNDREDS of posts on this in the forum. You can find a lot of responses by using the search function and a little digging. Some are for and some are against presenting when not carrying.

However, while legal not to hand it over if not carrying, most opinions are that if the LEO runs your license, when it comes back with a CHL holder, he will come back and ask for it and if you are carrying. A lot of LEO's like to know up front it you are a CHL holder, even though you legally don't have to disclose this ahead of time if not carrying. As a courtesy, I politely say "Here is my license and CHL, and I am not presently carrying. I knew it would show up so wanted to save you the trouble of having to come back and ask." Seems to be a better solution than having them come back wanting to know.

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