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by Keith B
Tue May 12, 2009 10:57 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What is "Failure to conceal"?
Replies: 21
Views: 3235

Re: What is "Failure to conceal"?

dwhitley wrote:I had this happen to me a few weeks ago. I was at Lowes in my truck bed loading grass. I had mine in the small of my back in a IWB holster and my shirt had moved up over it. My back was to the parking lot and just happens and Harris County Sheriff pulls up and hits the horn. I stood up as he rolled down his window and said you might want to cover up sir and I take it you have a permit. I said yes sir and thanks for the info. He then drove away... Now you can tell my gun was in a holster and you can see the holster.. I think it really comes down to the police and how they feel at the moment. Thanks David
I am surprised he didn't arrest you on the spot. Someone transporting grass and armed could be considered VERY dangerous!!!! :biggrinjester:
by Keith B
Mon May 11, 2009 3:40 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What is "Failure to conceal"?
Replies: 21
Views: 3235

Re: What is "Failure to conceal"?

barres wrote:
Keith B wrote:
sailor2000 wrote:Does a holster conceal the handgun if no part of the handgun is visible?
Depends. If the reasonable person defined in the statute can tell it is a holster with a handgun in it, then no.
So an OWB holster that comes down past the barrel combined with a T-shirt that covers the grip of the handgun (everything above the top of the holster), but doesn't cover the holster itself, would be concealed to you? Because how can anyone determine whether or not a holster is empty, without seeing above the topmost part of it?



I'm kinda playing devil's advocate, here, but I have thought of this very question at times where I had to disarm, but was wearing an OWB holster that wasn't easily removable. If someone saw my [empty] holster, would I have trouble until I proved that it was, indeed, empty. In other words, does the presence of a holster automatically lead to the conclusion regarding the presence of a handgun?
IANAL, but wearing an empty holster of any kind in any way is not illegal AFAIK. Wearing a holster that contains a handgun, has any part that intentionally exposed and can be recognized by a 'reasonable individual', is illegal IMO.

As for having to prove it, if a LEO sees your holster and recognizes it is exposed, then I think you will have to prove it was empty. You also might get hassled about the holster being exposed and not being able to tell it was empty. So if it was me I would do everything I could to conceal a holster, empty or full.
by Keith B
Sun May 10, 2009 9:54 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What is "Failure to conceal"?
Replies: 21
Views: 3235

Re: What is "Failure to conceal"?

dac1842 wrote:I wish the lawyers/legislators that write our laws would apply some common sense to our laws. All this part would need to read is " if someone can see the gun you and you are not trying to reconceal it, then you are guilty.
I don't like that wording as I may not realize it is exposed and won't be trying to re-conceal it. :shock:
by Keith B
Sun May 10, 2009 6:17 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What is "Failure to conceal"?
Replies: 21
Views: 3235

Re: What is "Failure to conceal"?

MAFWG wrote:
Keith B wrote:
sailor2000 wrote:Does a holster conceal the handgun if no part of the handgun is visible?
Depends. If the reasonable person defined in the statute can tell it is a holster with a handgun in it, then no.

Keith B, by your definition, would use of the "SafePacker" (http://store.thewilderness.com/index.php?cPath=51) constitute intentional failure to conceal?

MAFWG
I would not think so as it doesn't look like a holster. Remember, you have to meet the 'openly discernible by a reasonable person' part of the statute. I wouldn't be able to tell what was inside it. No different than carrying one of the day planner holsters.
by Keith B
Sun May 10, 2009 5:06 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: What is "Failure to conceal"?
Replies: 21
Views: 3235

Re: What is "Failure to conceal"?

sailor2000 wrote:Does a holster conceal the handgun if no part of the handgun is visible?
Depends. If the resonable person defined in the statute can tell it is a holster with a handgun in it, then no.

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