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by Keith B
Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:12 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Getting Open Carry legislation introduced ??
Replies: 38
Views: 6217

Re: Getting Open Carry legislation introduced ??

C-dub wrote:I carry into and out of my daughter's school parking lot dropping her off and picking her up. We live close enough to walk and when we do I still carry then. Since I don't have anywhere to secure my gun I don't enter any of the building when we walk. There are several LEO fathers that know this and have said that as long as I do not enter any of the buildings I'm okay. A couple of them are LEO in the city the school is in. I know LEO's are not always the best source for information like this, but if they already acknowledge they don't see anything wrong with what I'm doing then it sounds good enough to me.

Schools are government property and unable to legally post 30.06? I think this is the first time I've heard this. I've never given any real thought as to who owned the property, but have always known that the schools were funded by the people through property taxes and probably by the government itself somehow. I know that in 2005 the Texas Supreme Court declared the whole "Robin Hood" aspect of state funding for lower income school districts unconstitutional. I find the probability that a school cannot legally post a 30.06 sign in their parking lots very interesting. In other threads I thought this had been discussed and determined to be legally doable. Hmmm.
With a Texas resident CHL, you can carry on Texas school property as long as you don't enter the building and as long as there is not a school sponsored function (football game, per rally, etc. etc. going on.) Sounds like the officers know this and that is why they say it is OK.

Schools run off of tax money. Anything that is funded by taxes are legally a government entity. Government entities in Texas can't post a 30.06 for their property, unless it is posted for the meeting of a government entity, and that would be covered by the school sponsored event anyway. ;-) There are schools that have them posted (Plano does, and some others) but they are not legally enforceable IMO (IANAL though)
by Keith B
Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:47 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Getting Open Carry legislation introduced ??
Replies: 38
Views: 6217

Re: Getting Open Carry legislation introduced ??

Count wrote:
joe817 wrote:
Count wrote:It's already legal to have a gun in your car in parking lots, even for people carrying with MPA, so I think making open carry legal is more useful.
Unless of course, if the parking lots are posted with a valid 30.06 sign, or on school property(any school) or your employer prohibits it via effective notice.
School parking lots are not off limits in Texas law, and Texas law can't repeal Federal law.

Parking lots on private property should be treated the same as any other private property.
School parking lots ARE off limits under the Gun Free School Zone Act if you do not have a CHL issued by the state you are in.

30.06 signs are not valid on school parking lots either as they are government property. Some schools have them posted, but they are really not legally binding. Private property parking lots are a different matter and CAN be posted with a valid 30.06 and be off-limits.
by Keith B
Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:14 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Getting Open Carry legislation introduced ??
Replies: 38
Views: 6217

Re: Getting Open Carry legislation introduced ??

Understand. If you want to see a lot of the debate from the open carry issue last session, just use the search feature here on the forum. Search for open carry select to search on topics, and it will return some of the very large discussions we had. Lots of information that would be helpful to arm yourself with before heading into this territory IMO.

Here is a good thread to provide some insight on this topic and the problems. This was status updates from Charles Cotton, our forum owner and new Executive Director of the TSRA http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... 4&p=243202" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Edit to add one more BIG one http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... 29&start=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
by Keith B
Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:51 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Getting Open Carry legislation introduced ??
Replies: 38
Views: 6217

Re: Getting Open Carry legislation introduced ??

Last session, open carry support was being garnered by some reasonable folks and they has the ball rolling and even a Legislature who was willing to introduce the bill.

However, there were quite a few boisterous and arrogant individuals in the open carry movement that tried to bully their way into forcing open carry legislation, and the support and positive views by all those needed to introduce it was soon shut down.

There was really a lot of damage done by the tactics used by quite a few supporters last session. I really think trying to get any legislator to support and many to pass it will take an extreme act of finesse and lots of positive press instead of the arrogant and forceful tact taken last time.

Don't be surprised if you meet with some real negative views of open carry and its supporters by anyone you speak to in the Texas legislature. They possibly will still be tender enough that they won't even want to talk about it.

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