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I think the 'clean house and start over' method is a good way to lose ground instead of gain it. It's the proverbial throwing out of the baby with the bath water. We have lots of seasoned folks in office that are very big proponents of gun rights and have the experience to help push legislation that will be of a big benefit for us. They understand how the system works and can properly move things the right direction. Helping oust them from office would be a BIG mistake

The best thing any of us can do is research who are the best ones for your interests and vote for them. The TSRA and NRA help with this as far as ratings of the politicians and where they stand on our gun rights. I have seen a LOT of folks ll research and investigate their gun purchase decision to death, but just barely look at the issues and stances of the politicians on the ballot before they cast their vote.

All I can say is do your homework and vote.

You might check out this story http://www.wfaa.com/news/texas-news/Tex ... 02144.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Let's face it; if you are going to carry anyplace, you need to know the laws that affect you. That being said, is anyone going to be 100% up on the laws of their state after any class? No. There is not enough time to teach everything to the level needed to make sure of that, and unless the individual has previously studied the laws heavily, then they will not be clear. Shoot, with the gray areas in the laws, no one will be 100%.

I have several thousand hours of personal training, as well as having been an instructor for a time in my 30+ years with my company. Every student learns differently. There are those that pick up and retain the info like a sponge, and there are those that never get it even after multiple times of being shown/taught. The average person will pick up the general point and then gain better insight as they do the job. In the case of CHL, unless they go out and research on their own afterward, 99.999% of the people will NOT have any other exposure to the state laws or try to learn more (Texas CHL Forum members excluded.) So, without this OJT (On Job Training) they will have what they came out of class with and more than likely not remember some of it.

My belief is if you live in the state you will predominantly carry in, you should taught the laws of that state in class. A person coming out of a CHL class that has been exposed to that states laws will at least have a good start on the basics of what you are or are not allowed to do in the state. As I stated, unlike those of us on this forum, many people will not even look at the statutes or laws after the class until renewal time. Is that a disaster waiting to happen? You bet. With at least a basic exposure of the state law in class they have been armed (pun intended) with the right info. If they don't even get shown the laws of the state, or where to find them and the rules you must abide by, they are being thrown out like a baby in the wilderness to fend for themselves against the wolves (laws) and are VERY vulnerable to doing something they shouldn't and ending up in hot water legally.

This also boils down to instructors. We all know there are good ones and bad ones. A good instructor will make you want to learn and retain the info. A bad one will turn you off on the subject. We know of many cases where we have heard of Texas CHL instructors teaching something that was totally inaccurate or flat wrong. It happens. However, if they are at least teaching the Texas laws and course, then the student will have the majority of the info correctly presented to them and the LS-16 handbook to reference later. That way maybe they will go back and review the rules they must follow. If they never get that taught or handed to them (i.e. a Utah only class) then they will doubtfully ever go and research the Texas laws themselves.

ericlw wrote:i thought the reason people were getting out of state licenses was it covered some states that the texasl chl doesnt?i didnt think it was to get "around" texas license process.

There are a lot of people who get a non-resident license for various reasons and don't get a Texas license. This issue is more then likely going to end up causing Texas to stop honoring non-resident licenses.

can2boy wrote:how about we end all chl,ltcf,ccp etc etc...... and become like vermont and alaska. we are "united states" right?

I don't want to turn this thread into a 2A rights thread. I would like to stay on topic of reciprocity and non-resident licenses.

One other thing, I think you will start seeing more states stop issuing non-resident licenses. While it is a big revenue generator, if enough fuss is put up and no states honor them, then the demand will go down anyway.

I think if anything we will see the move to not allow you to carry on a permit unless it is issued from the state you are a resident of. Example, if you are carrying on a Utah permit, then you must be a Utah resident. This will still allow reciprocity, but you have to obtain YOUR state's license. The hardship I can see is two-fold; those that use the Utah or other non-resident permit to get additional rights to carry in states that do not honor Texas CHL's, and those individuals whos state does not offer a concealed handgun license, or they're are hard to get, and have one from a state that offers non-resident permits to be able to carry when they travel to other states.

Saw this last night on WFAA http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/No-Shoot ... 16119.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

WFAA wrote: No shooting required: Concealed weapon licenses with a twist

by DAVID SCHECHTER and DEAN TRAVINSKI

WFAA

Posted on June 23, 2010 at 11:18 PM

DENTON — Perhaps the most interesting thing about the concealed handgun class taught by Brad Brasuell of Denton is this: There is no shooting of an actual handgun.

Brasuell doesn't believe in it. And even though it's required by Texas law, he doesn't have to teach it.

"It's a false sense of security, is what it is," he said.

It's an open secret on gun ranges across Texas. You can get a license to carry a concealed weapon without ever having fired a gun.

How can that be?

I do know some Texas based Utah instructors, including one here on the forum, require you to go through the Texas class and shoot just like you would be going for a Texas license. Personally, I think that is the way to go as it is what I did.

Bottom line, the reciprocity with other states and the fact that you can carry on a non-resident license is getting a lot of attention, including at state levels in Austin. If this gets too hot, I wouldn't be surprised to see Texas and other states start moving to the not allowing carry on a non-resident license. Some states, like Colorado, Florida and a couple of others, have already gone to that model.