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baldeagle wrote:

Keith B wrote:I can see you have your mind made up and trying to talk to you about this would be So, just remember when you vote against a legislator who has a predominantly pro-gun stance and has a track record to prove it, you are more than likely killing your chances of getting ANY 2A legislation passed for future sessions.

And that would be different from this session how?

No different, 2-way street on this and we will just have to agree to disagree.

But as Flint says, we are all dissapointed on this.

baldeagle wrote:

Keith B wrote:That is one of the most harmful things you could do. A legislature full of newbies with no clue how to handle bills would be a total catastrophy and you would get NOTHING passed. Everyone would be trying to get their own agendas through and there would be no long term realtionships (good OR bad), so no one would be partnering up to work through issues.

This is the kind of thinking that got us in the present situation. We don't need politicians running our legislature. We need citizens who serve briefly, and for the people. The argument that newly elected representatives can't get anything done is the product of politicians convincing the public that only someone who has served a long time can produce results. Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is that the long-serving politicians are the ones who are screwing things up. Fresh blood and a steady turnover will keep them listening to the ones who elect them. If it takes a long time to become an effective legislator, than perhaps the PROCESS is screwed up and needs to be simplified?

I can see you have your mind made up and trying to talk to you about this would be So, just remember when you vote against a legislator who has a predominantly pro-gun stance and has a track record to prove it, you are more than likely killing your chances of getting ANY 2A legislation passed for future sessions.

JJVP wrote:

baldeagle wrote: Charles, I understand that you have to work with these jerks and so you can't say anything bad about them. I can. I'm a citizen of this state, and I deserve fair and open representation. Bills should get fair and open debate on the floor of the chamber, not back room deals and secret meetings and shenanigans with rules that we the citizens are not privy to.

We elected an overwhelming number of Republicans this last election. We SHOULD have gotten our issues passed. We didn't. That says all that I need to know about politics and the legislature. It's a foul, stinking mess of stuff not worthy of a republic and it needs to be overhauled if the people are ever to have their rights restored. The people who serve in the legislature should be embarrassed to show their faces in public after participating in this farce.

I won't be following any more of this. It invokes the gag reflex. How you can stand to be intimately involved in it is beyond me.

We need to send the whole lot of them to the unemployed ranks. I am getting more and more disappointed (= sick and tired) with the republican party. They talk a good talk, but when the excrement hits the fan they fold like the cheap suits they are. At least the demicrats, no matter how much you hate their views, stand by what they believe in, no matter how stupid those views might be. They hold on and push what they want, darn the torpedoes.

It is time to clean house and start over. Vote them ALL out.

That is one of the most harmful things you could do. A legislature full of newbies with no clue how to handle bills would be a total catastrophy and you would get NOTHING passed. Everyone would be trying to get their own agendas through and there would be no long term realtionships (good OR bad), so no one would be partnering up to work through issues.

megs wrote:

RHenriksen wrote:

hombre gris wrote:I couldn't agree with you more. This election I'm not voting for ANY incumbents, just like I did last election.

That would be an overreaction, and a mistake.

There are a good five, maybe ten percent who are worth re-electing.

I beg to differ. Let's take one set of bills, the Parking Lot bills.

The House actually had 100 out of 148 Reps sign on to support HB 681 , and the Senate had 11 of 31 on SB 321. And while they may not have all signed on, the House had 117 Yeas, 29 Nays, 2 present, not voting and the Senate had 29 Yeas and 2 Nays on SB321.

And, while they maybe didn't get all of the bills though like we would liked to have seen, there is still a LARGE amount of support for pro-gun legislation in the Texas Legislature.

So,those of you who want to clean house need to think about what you might get; senators or reps who have little experience, and may say they are pro-gun, but when it comes down to crunch time, they may be easily swayed by the anti's and vote against us. I would much rather deal with someone that I know where they stand than to have to try and figure them out all over again.

The only ones I would say need to be replaced are the ones who vote against us on everything, or at least vote against the majority of our pro-gun bills.