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Iunnrais wrote:Well we got clarification of the policies for our location from the owning company today. The policy is that employees of the property owner are able to keep firearms in their vehicle. Employees of companies leasing space in the buildings are expected to follow all restrictions imposed by the property owner. The property owner considers all employees of the leasing companies to be contractors for the purposes of SB 321

Stormwatcher wrote:FYI for those who are interested....

I ran across an article from the Texas Firearms Coalition, written by a Charles Cotton. I really hope it is the Charles Cotton of this forum. It was an article written about Texas SB 321. The following is an excerpt from that article dated June 13, 2011.

In order to get the Bill out of committee, it was necessary to limit the application of SB321 to CHLs in chemical manufacturing plants and refineries. These companies wanted to be completely exempt from SB321 and, failing that, they wanted CHLs to be able to have only handguns in their cars. Fortunately, our friends in Austin stood firm and the only concession made was limiting SB321 to CHLs, but allowing them to have any type of firearm and ammunition they wish in their cars.

Here is a link to the entire article.....it's well worth the read!

https://www.texasfirearmscoalition.com/ ... Itemid=248" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I was also reading at http://www.nradefensefund.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and found this about a Charles Cotton.

Charles L. Cotton, Trustee
Friendswood, Texas

Current member of the National Rifle Association's Board of Directors. Married with two sons. Committees: Finance, Legal Affairs, Bylaws and Resolutions, Action Pistol. Civil trial attorney and partner with successful Houston, Texas law firm. Consulted with Texas House of Representatives and Texas Senate sponsors of Texas' Concealed Handgun License (CHL) bills from 1993 through 1997, 1999, and 2003. Contributed language to the CHL statute and its amendments, and testified for CHL and anti-lawsuit legislation. At the request of the CHL authors, testified on implementation of the Texas CHL statute. Second Amendment advocate as interviewee on television, radio and talk shows and newspaper articles both before and after passage of Texas CHL statute. Seminar speaker on Texas' CHL statute and Texas firearms laws and state constitutional protections. Competitive shooter, hunter, collector and NRA Certified Instructor. Member TSRA, IDPA, IPSC, NSSR, LEAA, co-founder and Match Director of PSC-IDPA Match.

Please tell me this man and the Charles Cotton of this forum are the same person!

Needless to say.......I am much happier today than I was yesterday. I'll be armed on the way to and from work tomorrow! Thanks everyone for your help!

Stormwatcher wrote:Ok.... Are you say the parking lot must meet all three or will only one of these prevent a CHL holder from stowing at a plant. Because ........ At my plant.....
(i) that contains the physical plant ( my plant is further into the complex and secured entry is needed for access.
(ii) that is not open to the public; and ( our gates stay open 100 % of the time during daylight hours and anyone can enter and park. At night..... Mostly after10:00pm the gates are closed.... Cause the really can't monitor the lot well anytime and traffic drops to nothing. During the day....it's a free for all)
(iii) the ingress to which is constantly monitored by security personnel. ( this is debatable. We do have security... This security has view of the ingress but rarely if ever monitor who enters the parking lot during the day due to the sheer volume of traffic and the opposite is probably true at night. Anyone enters during the day and late at night no one enters.

What's your thoughts!

Stormwatcher wrote:OK guys......people keep telling me that I should be able to keep my weapon stowed in my locked vehicle while parked at my chemical plant job.

The way I read it....

Sec 52.061. Says that I can

then

Sec 52.062. says "Exemptions" (a) Sec 52.061 does not
(2) apply to:
(F) property owned or leased by a chemical manufacturer or oil and gas refiner with an air authorization under Chapter 382, Health and Safety Code, and on which the primary business conducted is the manufacture, use, storage, or transportation of hazardous, combustible, or explosive materials, except in regard to an employee who holds a license to carry a concealed handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and who stores a firearm or ammunition the employee is authorized by law to possess in a locked, privately owned motor vehicle in a parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area the employer provides for employees that is outside of a secured and restricted area:
(i) that contains the physical plant;
(ii) that is not open to the public; and
(iii) the ingress into which is constantly

What part of this gives a CHL holder the right to stow? Everything I read says Sec 52.061 does not apply to......
Does the"except" except the "Exemptions"? This is way too confusing!

Hans wrote:Hi all,

I'm new to the site. Been lurking for a while and I figured its time to start contributing. I wanted to share this email I received yesterday regarding SB 321. My understanding of the section of the Texas labor code Mr. Cotton shared is that a company is prohibited from treating contractors differently from employees when it comes to laws regarding labor relations (including SB321). However, one of the local refineries sent out an email stating SB321 does not protect contractors and visitors (I've attached it below slightly redacted to focus on the content rather than the company). SB321 is a new law and has not been tested in the courts yet. Opponents may attempt to circumvent the intent of the law using methods already discussed here. The following email may be one of those attempts. Any thoughts?

Hans


Re: New Texas Firearms Law

You may be aware that on September 1, 2011, a new Texas firearms law (Senate Bill 321) will go into effect. Although this new law may Affect some (company) employees, it has no effect with respect to Contractors or visitors at (company) facilities.

Accordingly, contractors and visitors continue to be prohibited from transporting or storing firearms or ammunition on (company) property, including, but not limited to, buildings, operational areas, and parking facilities.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

(name)
Contract Administration Section Supervisor Phone (XXX-XXX-XXXX)
Email: name@company.com

Iunnrais wrote:Hi Keith,

It's a little more complicated than that. Company B doesn't provide staff (aside from the odd consultant/pm for joint projects) in lieu of staff, it provides partitioned access to Company A to infrastructure owned by Company B. I sent a PM with some details to Charles.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

Iunnrais wrote:Would the same apply where Corp A contracts Corp B to provide X services where Corp A then leases several floors in it's facility to Corp B for Corp B to run it's local business (which includes providing similar ervices to companies other than Corp A using the leased floors)? Or do the policies of Corp A preventing any person on site from possessing weapons on site (including parking lots in vehicles) override SB321 for the employees of Corp B?

Sorry, I can't answer that without a lot more detail. If Corp. B controls the work of it's employees, sets the work hours, provides tools, and all Corp. A does is contract with Corp. B to get the job done, then Corp. A is likely not an employer. However, this is just a very general overview and specific facts could change everything.

Chas.