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by Dragonfighter
Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:07 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Liquor Store Carry???
Replies: 50
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Re: Liquor Store Carry???

mikeloc wrote:As I understand it in Florida you can carry in a restraunt, but not in the bar section i.e. Red Lobster you can carry on the food side but not in the bar. In Texas you can carry in either section. (Florida you cannot carry in a bar.)

Mike Lochabay
It appears you are correct:
A license shall not authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance, police station, detention facility, courthouse, polling place, meeting of any state, county, municipal, or special district governing body, any school, any professional or school athletic event not related to firearms, portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, inside the sterile and passenger area of an airport, or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
by Dragonfighter
Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:54 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Liquor Store Carry???
Replies: 50
Views: 6398

Re: Liquor Store Carry???

frankie_the_yankee wrote:
Dragonfighter wrote: That said it would probably be considered "reckless" to carry into a place called "Blue Moon Lounge" or something akin to it, whether it was posted or not.
The only "Blue Moon Lounge" I ever heard of was in the movie "Police Acadamy". And I would never go there whether I was carrying or not. :lol:
I was wondering if anyone would catch that. :clapping:

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What follows is what I do of my own volition and should in no way be misconstrued as advice or an opinion of how others should act.
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I sometimes, not often, go to restaurant where a bar is present and very active, sometimes one has to wonder about the ratio of income. McGuires in Pensacola,FL is one such place (though FL does not have the "51" rule) and a good illustration if one has been there. The closest I have been around here is a Bennagins. I will not hesitate, if it is not strictly a bar, to enter a place that is not posted "51".

I am not a TABC agent and will not waste my time asking to see their license nor will I audit their books to check their receipt ratios. If it is not posted, I am carrying.
by Dragonfighter
Mon Dec 24, 2007 11:46 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Liquor Store Carry???
Replies: 50
Views: 6398

Re: Liquor Store Carry???

GOVERNMENT CODE
§ 411.204. NOTICE REQUIRED ON CERTAIN PREMISES. (a) A business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, and that derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code, shall prominently display at each entrance to the business premises a sign that complies with the requirements of Subsection (c).

(c) The sign required under Subsections (a) and (b) must give notice in both English and Spanish that it is unlawful for a person licensed under this subchapter to carry a handgun on the premises. The sign must appear in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height and must include on its face the number "51" printed in solid red at least five inches in height. The sign shall be displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.
Once the TABC has determined that the business derives 51% of its income from on premise consumption of hooch, then they are to post the "51" sign. Now the nifty thing, or the pain in the neck aspect of the law is that very few codes stand alone.
PENAL CODE
§ 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER.
(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person: (1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;
How can I "...intentionally, knowingly or recklessly..." carry a concealed handgun where > 51% of sales is for on premise consumption if it is not posted? If it offers anything other than alcohol sales, or in the rare instance where you have the combination bar/carry out store there is no practical way of knowing whether 51% is OPC alcohol or not. That said it would probably be considered "reckless" to carry into a place called "Blue Moon Lounge" or something akin to it, whether it was posted or not.
by Dragonfighter
Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:39 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Liquor Store Carry???
Replies: 50
Views: 6398

Re: Liquor Store Carry???

Dan20703 wrote:
seamusTX wrote:Correct on both counts.

- Jim
So, with the incorrect sign if I enter the store while carrying I am not breaking any laws?
Are you referring to the 51% sign? If that is posted at a package store it is incorrect and you are not obligated to obey it. TABC regulates which signs go where BTW and they can be fined or lose their license for posting incorrectly. What's more, if an establishment does derive 51% of its sales in liquor for on premise consumption and fails to post the proper sign, your still good. The onus is on them to comply with TABC code and not you to figure whether the bar in the restaurant is big enough or busy enough to be 51% OPC alcohol sales.

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