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kw5kw wrote:I support open carry, as you know, however; if it's a choice between open carry in 2007 and the castle doctrine/right to stand our ground and protection against civil liability then I'm for the castle doctrine and protection against civil liability.

Russ

You bet. Stand your ground & civil liability are #1 with out a doubt.

longtooth

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Some argue that people will just get used to it, but even if that is true, at what cost? How many restrictions on carrying will be implemented before they "get used to it?"

Let me ask these rhetorical questions. Would you continue to support open carry if it resulted in large numbers of businesses posting 30.06 signs on their property?

Would you continue to support open carry if it resulted in the Legislature expanding the number of locations that are statutorily off-limits to license-holders, as is the case in many other states?

It's been 11 years since SB60 passed and Texas finally got a CHL statute. Let's not forget how radical the idea of citizens carrying guns was only a little over a decade ago. Donâ€™t underestimate the value of the out-of-sight-out-of-mind effect that concealing our handguns has on the 98% of Texans who haven't chosen to get a CHL.

Chas.

The summary is these Qs on one side. The fact that the states that do have open carry do not have problems w/ blood in the streets on the other side.
This has been a good discussion.

longtooth

bauerdj wrote:
I also feel it is wrong to tie collection of student loans, taxes, child support or anything else to the issuance of a permit.
yes sir, Yes Sir, YES SIR.

Time to get down from the soapbox.
It aint no soap box rant if it is the truth.
Dave B.

longtooth

I would. I don't think it is my right, I know it is. I am not smart enough to read a living, breathing interpreattion of a changing Constitution. It says what it means & means what it says.

longtooth

[/quote]I don't know, but the states where open carry has been legal forever don't seem to have a problem.

- Jim[/quote]

When reminded of this statement, this takes care of it for me. If all the bad things we have come up with happened in other states on a daily basis then they would not have open carry.
I want it.
LT

longtooth

Yes txi. Without anyone knowing it, the situation & the BG combined dictate whether open is a deterrent or invitation.
BG-"That guy is armed, I'll pick an easier mark.
"That guy has a gun. Let's see if he can use it. If not it is a free $$$$$$
All boils down to attitude. Theirs is bad or worse.
Ours is GOOD.

longtooth

Joe Gaspumper. That is good too. I will have to use that one also.

longtooth

Chris wrote:i would never support open carry. by policy, i can carry openly, but you would never catch me doing so. on duty, i have to carry openly. i've had people jump me, and try and take my gun, and it's in a retention holster. people who think blatantly displaying a firearm is protection in and of itself, are only fooling themselves. a visible gun tells you and everyone else that there is a gun on scene. whether you can hang on to it is a whole different story. i'd rather not show my hand until i choose.

i know criminals like to hang around outside and scope out their targets just a few minutes before they hit it. who do you think is going to get shot first? the guy with the concealed weapon who chooses when to react, or the rambo flaunting a firearm?

i'll vote against it if it comes up. sorry. i support concealed carry 110%, but open carry is not a very good idea.

Another good post. This is what makes a horse race.
We are all glad to have conceal carry. If open ever comes to pass then everyone will have to make their own decission.

longtooth

Good point seamusTX. I know that but did not think of it. 'Coarse 'bout 2 thangs ata time's all I kin handle.

kw5kw, I read that in high school & again in college.

longtooth

Lets let this thing evolve a little more. I am a supporter, great outspoken supporter of less govt is better. I to believe carry is a right not a liscensed privilege. There are some problems though that do not have a right answer.
1. We pass unliscensed open carry because it is a right & it becomes common. Citizen guns are regularly visible.
2. There will be the criminal ellement that will seek to open carry as he goes to do his mischief.
3. Fellons should not be allowed to have one.
4. Where is the line that prevents a LEO from stopping me while he checks a record (taking an hour, & he disarms me for his safety, handling gun in public & close proxcimity to other citizens) to see if I am "Joe GoodCitizen" or "Wanted PosterBoy."
5. If it is liscense to carry a weapon then it is instant answer to the above, but still regulation, & felon deterrent. (However so slight)

longtooth

Yes a 2 edged sword. I think there are far more street thugs that want easy victims & would pass an open carry citizen as their victim than there are those who will take the chance of winning the fight. They would rather steal the gun from an empty house than fight for it on a public street.
My .02 cents & some think it worth about half that.
LT

longtooth

Kw5kw, You are right on this one. One of the things I tell our church folks is that you never know what did not happen because you were prepared. Good post.
IE: When we were on vacation the 1st of Aug in Lubbock I was in a local convenience store 2 blocks from the Father-in-laws house. It is 5:00 in the morning, drinking a little coffee & visiting w/ the clerk. (They all sleep til after breakfast) She gets a call from another of their stores about a young man in hooded sweat shirt. Milled around & left. The calling clerk said they thought he left due to several customers in the store headed for jobsites.
Sure enough here he comes. August morning, 80 degrees, hooded sweat shirt W/ hood up, hands in the warmer pockets. Before he gets to the door I get cell out & dial 911 & lay it on the ice cream counter in front of me. Push dial & I am audible to a dispatch. When he enters, "good morning young man, really that cold outside? He never broke stride, made a circle & back out the door.
What was he up to? What would he have done if I was oblivious to anything or she was alone? Don't know exactly. Generally up to no good though. We will never know what did not happen.

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