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by ScottDLS
Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:49 pm
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Topic: Portable Generators
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Re: Portable Generators

tomneal wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:39 pm I live 2 blocks outside the 610 loop in Houston. I don't think our house would withstand the zombie apocalypse. I have more modest goals.
Yeah that's definitely major surge path for hordes of the (un)dead. It would be better to be farther up toward Conroe or maybe even a little South of Huntsville, some miles off of I-45. Zombie migration patterns typically follow interstates... :lol:
by ScottDLS
Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:31 am
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Topic: Portable Generators
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Re: Portable Generators

tomneal wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:33 pm The wife and I have "completed" our Portable Generator connection project. We used a local electrician.
We started our contacts with the electrician in late April and completed all aspects of the project over last weekend. (It rained a lot in May and the breaker box is on the outside.)

Our starting point was a small 3800 Watt generator that my son and I had used at a deer camp.
It powered the entire camp including bunk house heaters when it was cold and an RV Air Conditioner when it was hot.

When I started looking for an Interlock kit for my breaker box. I discovered that my FPE breaker box was noted for failing breakers and the associated 'issues' that occur when breakers fail to do their job. We decided to replace the box with a Square D box. Replacing the breaker box escalated the project to include Center Point, Permits and inspectors from City of Houston, as well as an electrician. We ended up replacing the Meter housing and weather head to pass inspection.

I 'think' I have the skills to do the generator connection part of this project but since the electrician was here anyway...

Minimum requirements
-an Interlock kit https://www.amazon.com/s?k=interlock+ki ... doa-p_3_13
- a power inlet box
- a 220volt breaker for the box

If you can SAFELY change out a breaker at your mom's house, the interlock kit and power inlet could be a DIY project.

3800 watts is too small to power the Oven, Stove, or Central Air Conditioner (Clothes dryer is gas)
When the power goes off:
- drag out the generator
- turn off the main breaker
- turn off all the 220Volt breakers
- Connect up the generator and start it up
- inform the spouse, Don't use the hair dryer or the microwave.
- when the generators tank is full we have about 7 or 8 hours of power.

We got a real test last Friday night (Less than a week after the electrician finished). A Center Point transformer blew. The first thing I did was to run to the panel and check for smoke, etc. The transformer one house over was smoking.
When the power was still off Saturday morning, I connected the generator for the first time. By lunch time the power was back on. Saturday afternoon, we bought a room AC for the Master bedroom.

The house electricity is not ready for TEOTWAWKI but it is ready for the normal interruptions of service caused by Transformers, Hurricanes, and Ice Storms. A couple of hours up to a couple of weeks.

I have been looking at doing exactly the same setup as you have for use with my 8000watt PowerLand generator. It's a tri-fuel...LP, NG, or gasoline. My gas service and breaker panel are both outside on the same side of the house. 8KW would likely run everything 120v in my house. I have gas heat and also a window AC backup for our bedroom. My central A/C is two 4 ton units, so no way on that without at least a 20KW unit. On the side I'm looking at military surplus diesel primary power generators (MEP-1050 or MEP-804) 15KW units. These are made for full time power and long periods of time. Diesel keeps longer than gasoline and you could theoretically keep a few drums of it around for the zombie apocalypse :smilelol5: .
by ScottDLS
Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:25 pm
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Topic: Portable Generators
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Re: Portable Generators

Greybeard wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:04 pm Quote: "$1,700.00 seems a bit much to run just one item."

I am far from an electrical guru, but think that $1700 setup would let a homeowner just flip on as many breakers as a generator could handle. Based upon the rolling blackouts that we experienced in our part of Flower Mound, I believe such would have allowed us to run the gas fired furnace (with electric blower), the refridgerator, freezer, microwave, coffee pot and maybe a few lights. Bare bones stuff. Depending upon the size of the generator, possibly not the electric heaters that we kept handy next to the (gas) fireplace. But again, $1700 for an event that may not happen again in our lifetime ? .......
I'll suspect one could get a manual transfer switch/interlock and a plug in for a portable genset for way less than $1700. And I agree with your point to use the breaker panel to pick the circuits to power up to the rating of your generator. I rehabbed and flipped a house in Flower Mound last year and I got a whole new 100 amp panel and install with permit for $700. That was a VERY good bid as I got one for $3500!. I have a 8kw tri fuel (Gas/Propane/NG) generator and I've really been wanting to add a transfer switch and plug in on my outside panel (another FM quirk in the newer developments). Luckily I didn't lose power recently or I might have lost $8000 in pool equipment. I've since researched how to drain it. But 8KW could pretty much run my house in the winter since I have gas furnaces. I have a spare 12,000BTU window A/C for summer. For my two 4ton regular A/C would probably need a 22KW Generac. Problem with portables is they are really loud. I have gas and propane stored and installed a tap on my NG line, but until I build an enclosure, I'm afraid my neighbors may start shooting... :shock:
by ScottDLS
Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:15 pm
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Topic: Portable Generators
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Views: 47128

Re: Portable Generators

If one has a sense of adventure they might take a look at some military surplus diesel gensets. They are available at some of the surplus auction sites and come in 5Kw - 60 kw versions. From what I read, like most military designs they are underrated by 10-20%. So a 10KW could probably reliably supply 11-12KW. These are primary power units designed for forward operating units and made to run for days to weeks at a time. They have auxiliary pumps that can take a suction on 55gal drums of diesel. I mean what self respecting Texas urban or suburban dweller doesn't have a couple hundred gallons of red-dye tax free diesel sitting around the condo. :lol:

Here's one I keep looking at on IronPlanet and GovPlanet auction sites. Some even come with trailers:

Cummins Power Generation MEP-1040 10kW Gen Set


You could look into the commercial variants also, often used for off grid primary power in remote locations.

PS: My friend Butthead says these Gensets RULE!!! -Beavis

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