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by ScottDLS
Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:45 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Ghost Guns
Replies: 38
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Re: Ghost Guns

srothstein wrote: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:37 pm I believe the specific case that Biden referred to, and that touched this all off, was that a company put together kits that had everything needed to build a complete firearm with the lower being an 80% lower. It included all the interior parts for the lower, the barrel, slide, etc. I have a vague memory of ATF raiding a store front doing this and selling the kits through the internet. I do not think they were breaking the law but they sure pushed the limits of it.

I am sure that the only way the ATF can do anything is by defining a ghost gun as a kit that can be used to assemble a complete firearm that has a partially milled frame. If they do anything else, they will kill the used and accessory parts market (which I doubt would bother them other than their losing the cases in court). If they try to define an 80% lower, people will go one step further from complete and sell 75% frames, ad infinitum. This can only result in defining blocks of metal as firearms and that won't fly either.

I predict that some definition of a kit to make a firearm will be created and then banned (well, maybe just defined as a firearm and the dealer would have to be an FFL and run a background check, which implies a serial number on the frame). Even this is pushing the limit of the law, but would be harder to find someone to fight it in court.
I think this is the most likely. Either that or defining down the 80% lower to something short of a hunk of metal. There are also non-AR15 pattern "80%" receivers out there, for Glocks I think.

Another angle might be to require a serial number on home built guns then require any further transfer go through a FFL. Contrary to current internet wisdom, it is NOT illegal for a private individual (non-FFL) to transfer a home built gun intrastate to another individual.

And currently, though ATF tries to say otherwise, no serial number is required for a private transfer. There is an article out there where the author gets the ATF to admit this in a private letter. More importantly they are unable to cite the law or CFR requiring an individual privately transferring home made gun to add a maker and serial number (like you HAVE to do for NFA Form 1 builds). If you think about it the serial number in this case would be useless since there is no record of it anywhere, where there is for a FFL Manufacturer made gun that they report upon making.

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