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CleverNickname wrote:Now we won't need a CLEO signoff bill, but I'd love to see a bill in the TX legislature that requires any Texas CLEO to destroy any NFA forms received within 24 hours.

The ATF can require we send the forms to a CLEO, but the state can require that the CLEO not keep that info.

Do you have any idea what they did with them previously? I seem to remember the Denton County Sheriff made copies of mine that I did in 2002 and 2004...

I mean the whole point of the NFA is that the Feds have a national "REGISTRY" and they have your prints, pics, and details. I suppose that was theoretically on of the reasons people did corps and trusts to register...NOT JUST BECAUSE CLEO WOULDN'T SIGN

PBR wrote:

ScottDLS wrote: The CLEO "signoff" on the background check was supposedly eliminated (changed to NOTIFICATION) in the final version because of the burden it would place on CLEO's for all the "responsible persons" in trusts/legal entities.

The change does add a new burden to trusts/legal entities that was not there before. Now the "responsible persons" of an entity have to be printed/photoed and have ATF conduct the background check. But really that was not the reason people were creating trusts (to get out of background check). It's always been a felony for a prohibited person acting for the entity to take physical possession. The trusts were used to bypass the CLEO's who would not sign the certifications even though they were allowed by state law. I have 3 NFA items in my name, and then the new Sheriff wouldn't sign, so I applied to manufacture a SBR through my Texas LLC that I use for investments. If the regs go through as above, I will pay the $200 tax to transfer the SBR back to me personally.

Ok so now you just have to notify local CLEO you have an NFA item no need for them to sign off anything? My local CLEO will not sign off anything either so I was in the process of possibly forming a Trust but maybe from the looks of it now I will hold off. But this is still 6 months off from happening though correct?

Yes this is 6 months from when they post the final rule in the Federal register, presumably in the next couple weeks. I just did a form 1 to my LLC for SBR, because I didn't want to wait, and I didn't know this CLEO notification thing was coming. Also, if you're thinking of getting a machinegun, be prepared to pay through the nose. The cheapest MAC's are $5000+ and full auto rifles like M16's are in the $10,000's.

PBR wrote:Interested in hearing from some folks better with law and understanding than me but seems like they have now made it easier for individuals cause don't have to get CLEO sign-off anymore but harder for Trusts cause of more paperwork involved now. Also little confused as too does a CLEO have to sign off on background check, finger prints and photos and if so how long will they make folks wait?

The CLEO "signoff" on the background check was supposedly eliminated (changed to NOTIFICATION) in the final version because of the burden it would place on CLEO's for all the "responsible persons" in trusts/legal entities.

The change does add a new burden to trusts/legal entities that was not there before. Now the "responsible persons" of an entity have to be printed/photoed and have ATF conduct the background check. But really that was not the reason people were creating trusts (to get out of background check). It's always been a felony for a prohibited person acting for the entity to take physical possession. The trusts were used to bypass the CLEO's who would not sign the certifications even though they were allowed by state law. I have 3 NFA items in my name, and then the new Sheriff wouldn't sign, so I applied to manufacture a SBR through my Texas LLC that I use for investments. If the regs go through as above, I will pay the $200 tax to transfer the SBR back to me personally.