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Charles L. Cotton wrote:

seeker_two wrote:The NRA's actions (or lack of) shown in the Reason article and the McDonald case have been documented by independent pro-RKBA sources like Tom Gresham, Michael Bane, and others. The NRA has been almost Clinton-esque in its grasp of the truth. Kinda sad really....considering that Gura and the SAF accomplished more in two SCOTUS cases than the NRA has done in the last decade.

Show me the proof, don't just make more unsubstantiated claims.

I've led you to the water....I don't have time to do the drinking for you....

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Did you bother to read the briefing in those cases? Who carried the case?

From what I read, Gura was making successful strides...he didn't need the NRA leadership's help in McDonald any more than he needed it in Heller.....

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Why did the S/Ct. allow the NRA to argue in McDonald?

Political influence translates in a lot of ways....

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Whose legal argument was accepted, was it SAF/Gura or the NRA's?

From what I read, they accepted both in McDonald....but only Gura's in Heller....since the NRA leadership came late to that party....

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Who provided the funding for 30 years of scholarly research and writing that was cited in NRA and NRA-funded briefs that were also cited by the S/Ct.?

...which was about all that the NRA leadership had been doing...otherwise, why didn't they bring these cases?....

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
This is not an idle threat.

I believe you....the NRA leadership has tried to silence Gura and others as well....

G.A. Heath wrote: I do disagree with the NRA not mentioning the SAF at all in many cases when they talk about Heller and McDonald because I am one of those Whole Truth types. I will also point out that the NRA is the "big dog" when it comes to gun rights and if you want to make a change to how they act, vote for new leadership within the group.

Big dogs that lie comatose in the corner aren't as scary as the smaller dogs that have latched onto your neck....and the smaller dogs are the ones winning the RKBA fight right now.

I do agree about changing NRA leadership....maybe that's the next fight here....

Anyway, I'm done here.....enjoy the election results....and let's see what Perry does for RKBA in the next four years....

Thank you for the link, Mr. Cotton....esp. since it brought up this particular article...

stroo wrote:Thought you might find this interesting reading. http://reason.com/news/show/129991.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...and a predictable response....

KBCraig wrote:Official NRA revisionist spin coming in 3... 2... 1...

The NRA's actions (or lack of) shown in the Reason article and the McDonald case have been documented by independent pro-RKBA sources like Tom Gresham, Michael Bane, and others. The NRA has been almost Clinton-esque in its grasp of the truth. Kinda sad really....considering that Gura and the SAF accomplished more in two SCOTUS cases than the NRA has done in the last decade.

Charles L. Cotton wrote: .....Levy/Gura's recklessness.

If accomplishing more in two SCOTUS cases than the NRA has done in the last two decades (like tepidly challenging the AWB) is "reckless", then it seems that "recklessness" is the winning strategy....

As for the rest of your replies on both threads....this will sum it up nicely....

Charles L. Cotton wrote: This is so absurd I won't bother to respond.

Now, since we're not going to find common ground here, shall we return to the OT?.....

Thank you for your reply, Mr. Cotton.....esp. about the reminder about White's record (...and don't forget his refusal to acknowledge the Travelers Law revisions)....

But, my original question still stands....what has Perry actively done to promote RKBA? Other than sign a few bills that passed with significant majorities in the TX Legislature and had NRA (a group which didn't support Heller or McDonald, but took credit for them anyway) stamps of approval....and made a few nice speeches to friendly crowds, I haven't seen much from him. So what makes you (or any other voter) think that he'd do any more? It's not like he'd have to do anything....

Also, I'm a little disappointed that groups like the NRA and TSRA would support Perry over Glass...a person who is pledging to do more for RKBA than Perry is....but I'm also surprised that a group like the NRA is leaving the heavy lifting to groups like the Second Amendment Foundation and OpenCarry.org.....maybe I've been backing the wrong horse all these years....

txmatt wrote: Sorry, I value my gun rights too much to throw away my vote on a 3rd party in what is looking like a somewhat close race for governor. Many of us here are no big fans of Perry, but take a look at the (realistic) alternative.

Voting third party has its place but not in a tight race where there is a clear lesser of two evils.

Other than sign a couple of bills that were going to pass with huge, veto-overriding Legislature support already, what has Perry ACTIVELY done for RKBA?

Has he supported open carry?

Has he supported reducing the DPS fee on getting a CHL?

Has he supported Vermont/Alaska-style CCW?

Has he supported the "parking lot" CHL exemption?

And, has he done ANYTHING different than Bill White wouldn't do in the same situation?

I voted for Kathy Glass....she's the only conservative running in this race....and, if my "wasted vote" results in White becoming governor, I don't think we'll notice much of a difference...except that the GOP will know where they have to go policy-wise to get my vote back....