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by cxm
Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:59 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Anyone else had fingerprints denied?
Replies: 26
Views: 7370

In talking to several LE types, I was told prints from prisoners are never sent back.... of course they usually dont have any way to print them a second time.

OTOH, the same LE commented application prints are often sent back... basically said poor quality prints can usually be classified, but it takes a lot more time and they just don't bother with applicants.

Looking at some to the prints LE types have done on my students I'm amazed any prints get classified.

FWIW

Chuck
HankB wrote:First time I applied for a CHL, my prints were taken by a Pflugerville cop. I hand-carried my packet down to DPS in Austin (one advantage of living in Moscow on the Colorado) and the nice ladies there cooed "Ooooh, these won't do at all" and redid my prints, and 56 days later I got my CHL. (As as aside . . . while they're rolling ink and taking my prints, numerous people walked by and STARED at me. I felt GUILTY . . . I don't know what I did, but for sure, I NEVER want to be in a position where I'm getting printed involuntarily!)

When it came time for renewal, my prints were done by a retired Austin PD sergeant . . . at DPS, same thing, they redid my prints, this time with an electronic scanner. 28 days until my renewal arrived.

So . . . if getting good prints is a hit-or-miss process when trained and certified LEOs are using fingerprint ink and a fingerprint card with a co-operative subject, how in blue blazes do they get validprints from crime scenes? If I'm ever on a jury where fingerprint evidence figures prominently, well, the prosecutor is going to have to be VERY convincing.
by cxm
Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:44 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Anyone else had fingerprints denied?
Replies: 26
Views: 7370

Re: Rejected Finger Prints

I'm sure I can get rejected cards from several students... and I will make a point to save future "rejects."

There also seems to be "some" (but I don't have enough data to be very reliable) corelation between Friday and cards being returned. Each letter returning cards my students have received has been marked as a Friday.... one student speculated the processors were cleaning their desks off... perhaps in response to pressure to meet the statutory deadline.

For one, I would like to see the law amended to require the DPS to refund the entire processing fee if the time limit is not met. (I urge my students to send applications by certified mail with return receipt so they can prove delivery.)

Also would be nice to see the law amended to require the DPS to post their processing statistics on the DPS web site... sort of like credit report... how many completed in 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, how many 1-30 days late, 31-60 days late etc.

FWIW

Chuck
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
cxm wrote:This seems to support what a DPS Trooper told me... that when they are behind in processing they just reject finger priints to stop the clock...
Chuck
I've have been convinced of this for some time. The former excuse was simply, "we're running a little behind now" but apparently enough people reminded them the statute doesn't allow for "running a little behind." I wish people would keep the “bad� print cards, we may be able to use them in 2007.

Regards,
Chas.
by cxm
Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:13 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Anyone else had fingerprints denied?
Replies: 26
Views: 7370

Rejected Finger Prints

Rejected finger prints are a curious thing...

I have had several student's finger prints returned. One older woman had tough prints to roll... but I think I got a good set.... they wre rejected none-the-less. When the DPS returned the first set of cards, I asked here to get her local Police Dept to roll the next set... and paid the fee for her. The detective who rolled her prints said he could not see anything wrong with the first set...

The second set was rejected too... when I looked at them I didn't think they were as good quality as the first set... so we got another set rolled by the police... after which I called the DPS and talked to the person who works finger prints... who told me the print WOULD be accepted the third time... which they were.

Now the curious thing about prints to me is the fact rejections seem to come in flocks... I will have several in one class rejected and then none for quite a while... no logic at all. This seems to support what a DPS Trooper told me... that when they are behind in processing they just reject finger priints to stop the clock...

I have also concluded that attaching a note explaining the prints on the cards are the best possible and the reason for that statement along with second set of cards is worthwhile when someone has hard to roll prints.

FWIW

Chuck

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