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pbandjelly wrote:

HankB wrote:

pbandjelly wrote: . . . most of you self-proclaimed "gun nuts" have only the perspective that gun, in and of itself, can keep you safe. . . .

Ummm . . . actually, I don't see this at all.

I don't think you took that as I had initially meant it, two months ago.

OK, your explanation sheds more light on it, and I don't disagree.

As for the "+2" and "Vorpal" stuff my post prompted . . . my reaction was until the explanations.

Now it's

pbandjelly wrote: . . . most of you self-proclaimed "gun nuts" have only the perspective that gun, in and of itself, can keep you safe. . . .

Ummm . . . actually, I don't see this at all. It's my opinion that most posters regard a gun as just another piece of safety equipment that improves your odds should you be attacked, and needs to be complemented with situational awareness and avoidance of certain risky behavior - it's not a magic talisman that confers invulnerablity on the one who wields it any more than seat belts alone completely protect you against injuries involving a motor vehicle.

MN is completly different. The majority of the cities are very quiet and not crime ridden . . .

Things must have changed since (Don't say because!) I left there . . . I lived just east of St. Paul, but I recognized that large parts of Minneapolis were nasty, the Selby-Dale area of St. Paul had a well-deserved reputation for being bad, and the police chief of St. Paul got into hot water for stating that gangs of black youths were causing shoppers to stay away from Town Square, the downtown shopping center. (Nobody said he was factually wrong, they said he was wrong to say what he said.)

Meth labs were popping up in Anoka, and a gangsta shooting at the Mall of America prompted stores at other malls to start selling red-spattered T-shirts reading "I went to Mall of America and all I got was a lousy flesh wound!"

A colleague of mine moved to St. Paul a couple of years ago; she'd never been a crime victim in TX, but within months of moving to MN, her car was stolen out of the company parking lot in supposedly-safe Maplewood. (It - or rather part of it - was found later . . . thoroughly stripped.)

I find it's just as easy to stay out of trouble here in TX (near Austin) as it was in MN.

Arock wrote: . . . Report said mall security looks for customers walking back to their automobiles from the doors then blocking the cars until Grapevine police arrive at which time they are processed into the system . . .

motleystew wrote: . . . earlier post that stated that the Grapevine PD and the mall security are pretty chummy . . . there is a police station ON PREMISES of the mall itself . . .

No Grapevine mall near me, but IF mall security is routinely taking these actions, REGARDLESS of how "chummy" mall security is with local LEOs, the mall would seem to be skating on very thin ice.

IANAL, but with proper advance planning, and provision for evidence gathering (video, 911 calls reporting unlawful detention, mall's lack of PC, etc.) it would seem there's an opportunity for money to be made . . .