KBCraig: I probably should have said the comment was funny. However, if you feel that my reference to the inappropriate piece of clothing mentioned in an earlier post was an "insult or betrayal", I take offense to that. I do agree with you that it is not appropriate nor is it effective in debate. However, I do think that people choose to dress a certain way, drive a certain vehicle, behave in such a way, or associate with certain people in order to help define their personal identity or advertise their beliefs, not to make up for a perceived deficiency. That was the context of my comment. Having said that, I fully realize and appreciate the other factors at play with the OC movement. I feel that many pushing OC have divergent reasons or motivations for doing so. That doesn't mean that the concept of OC is wrong or inappropriate. Personally, I feel that OC should allowed. I fully understand that the goal of the active supporters of OC is not to make OC and CC mutually exclusive. My point was that I would not choose to OC at this point in my life should it come to pass.KBCraig wrote:I absolutely respect your position. The part I highlighted is something both sides of this debate believe in. No one wants to take away your ability to carry concealed -- we're just asking for free choice for everyone.camjr wrote:After reading the posts, paying particular attention to several members' posts, I'm not opposed to it as long as it has no impact on my ability to carry concealed. I will continue to carry concealed (I even carry concealed on my own property--I don't want anyone to know I'm armed except my wife). It's nobody's business how I choose to protect myself, my family, and my property. If given the option, I don't think I would change.
The codpiece analogy was offensive, and everyone who has debated an anti-gunner should understand why: their favorite accusation is that we only like guns to make up for a deficient manhood. To hear fellow carry advocates make the same accusation towards someone who wants the option to carry openly instead of concealed is not just an insult, it's a betrayal.I've never been one to push my opinions on people, and I keep thinking that the open carry effort has a certain amount of that to it (that's why I loved the codpiece analogy in the earlier post)...
The Texas ad campaign for OCDO has brought a lot of new members to the site. Many are curious, and ask honest questions that are answered politely. Many others are trolls who show up to tell open carry advocates how wrong they are. One recent example (from Texas) signed up with the user name of "Youguysaremorons" and proceeded to declare that anyone wanted to carry openly must be a tiny, insecure little man, but because he's 6'4" and "in great shape", he doesn't need to "show off" his gun by OCing. Totally missed the point, and issued a blanket ad hominem attack in one fell swoop.
I enjoy the comity of this forum, but sometimes trolls just really deserve to be nuked in place. They get that on OCDO.
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- Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:15 pm
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- Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:10 am
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Personally, I haven't given it too much thought. I've been to their website once or twice, and it wasn't my cup of tea. After reading the posts, paying particular attention to several members' posts, I'm not opposed to it as long as it has no impact on my ability to carry concealed. I will continue to carry concealed (I even carry concealed on my own property--I don't want anyone to know I'm armed except my wife). It's nobody's business how I choose to protect myself, my family, and my property. If given the option, I don't think I would change. I've never been one to push my opinions on people, and I keep thinking that the open carry effort has a certain amount of that to it (that's why I loved the codpiece analogy in the earlier post), but also see the other side's part of it in terms of excercizing their 2A right. As I think more about it, me excercizing a right is about me, not showing other people know I'm excercising my right. Make sense?