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Kalrog wrote: What rule change and what 3 versions? Yes or no to what (specificity is important here - we are talking legal minutia).

Sorry. The rule I was referring to was our departmental SOG.
The 3 versions are the 2 in the employee manual and the 1 in the department SOG manual.

texasparamedic wrote: My question here is that there is 3 versions of this ruling. 2 saying no and 1 saying yes, but everything I have read says that the 30.06 statement must be in the policy manual if the employer wants to ban. Is this not correct?

This was the yes or no question that is vague.... It was answered in another post, and to my understanding a employer does not have to have the 30.06 wording in the policy. A statement of "No weapons allowed by employees" is sufficient.

on a personal note: I have a fair understanding of the laws and such, and besides my personal confliction with the sign posting at the department, I just want to make sure that I follow the rules/laws and help be a solution to the problem not and not be the problem.

To answer a few questions.

I work for a City Ran Fire Department. My main question is what is the legality of the signs being posted only at the FD and not on all the city buildings. The postings were a decision made by the boss not the city council and since it is a city owned building, I do not think that the boss can legally post the signs. As far as being banned from work as part of the employment condition I had a good idea about this and have not... REPEAT... HAVE NOT... carried while on duty or carried into the station, since the rule has changed... My question here is that there is 3 versions of this ruling. 2 saying no and 1 saying yes, but everything I have read says that the 30.06 statement must be in the policy manual if the employer wants to ban. Is this not correct? I am not going to fight for the policy change right now because I do understand and partially agree with the bosses decision on why he doesn't want his staff carrying while on duty. On the other hand, I really do not like the great big sign posted on the door that tells the scum of the earth, my staff including myself are unarmed, come get us.... I do want to fight to have the signs removed.

Thanks for the help and direction.

This is long but I still need help

I know that I am new to all this, but I am not new to laws, rules, regs ect... I have not been able to find anywhere that outlines what a city / municipality can and can not do as far as a 30.06 or banning weapons from city buildings. So far the only thing I have been able to come up with is that I can not carry into a building (with or without a 30.06 sign) used for court purposes on the day of court proceedings. (In my case the local city hall councils chambers doubles as the court chambers once a month), A "church" or "Place of worship", a nursing home or hospital, any form of school or educational facility, a Bar, Pooling place on the day of elections, a jail, within 1000ft of an execution., without written approval by the business owner. The 30.06 rule tells me that there is someone inside (granted their misguidance or personal feelings) does not want me to carry a firearm inside that building. I may have got off the subject allot but I am still confused about all this. Is there something specific that says that a city can not post a 30.06 or when it is appropriate for them to post.

Here is my situation... Back in August of 07, My boss found out that I was carrying a firearm while on duty as a paramedic. I have done this for years and had a previous chiefs approval. How it was discovered is a very long story that is completely my fault and stupidity on my part. The boss reviewed the policy which at the time relayed that only licensed persons may carry a firearm while on duty and must have a written letter of approval by the boss. The new boss didn't like this policy and changed it in fear that it would set the department up for liability if I defended myself while on duty. I understood his concern and attempted to help him understand my point of view with no success. I complied with his new policy which states "Only Certified Peace Officers will be allowed to have a gun/firearm in their possession while on duty at any City of Pilot Point Fire Department facility. Personnel that are authorized to have guns/weapons will keep them holstered at all times". During September 07 the boss was told by another staff member that I was still continuing to carry and was written up. While this was not true and I appealed the writeup and lost. The information that was given was that I left in the morning and displayed my firearm. During the appeals process I told the boss that I had my firearm in my vehicle that was parked in the parking lot on the day / night in question. The night in question, I had a long time friend who is a gunsmith took my firearm to do some work, so I did not even have the firearm the morning in question. His argument was that he does not want firearms in or around the department.

The long story will come to an end and I will get to my point soon....

Although I am not happy with this decision (and discovered during the appeals process that there was and still is other issues / staff at hand causing, directing and leading the issues) I discontinued the fight for the time being.

Now to my point.. The boss found and heard from someone about the 30.06 rules / law. Did some research and had complaint signs printed. The problems with the signs. The front door has a complaint 30.06 on a clear glass door in white letters. The back door is not complaint in my opinion because it is a white / off white door with white lettering. Obvious not contrasting colors. The 2 other doors one on each side of the building do not have signs at all along with the 8 large bay doors and 2 doors from the bays into the building. No other city building has 30.06 signs posted and the city employee policy manual has both no employees can have firearms except cops and another section has only licensed person of the state can have firearms. No statement in the policy manual has the 30.06 wording. While I feel this is an improper posting, it is his (the boss) request that no one has a firearm around the building.

I personally feel that it has exposed myself and my coworkers to potential harm inside our building because now everyone that drives by, may be unhappy with us, or whatever the cause may be know that we do not have any means of protecting ourselves. It has happened once to me already in the past and really do not want to be placed in this position again.

Were do you find the actual statute for this. I believe that I have one but want to make sure before I post.