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carlson1 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:28 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:07 pm I’m happy that AG Paxton has filed the suit, but unless the defendants are forced to pay the accruing fines, I’d guess that the city of Dallas, the State Fair of Texas, and Fairpark First will stonewall and get delays in court proceedings long enough for the fair to finish running before the court ever has a chance to slap the defendants down.

Then next year, Fairpark First will be reorganized and operating under a new name, and the same old song and dance will begin again.

You are probably right, but at least he did something. Folks said it was a publicity stunt so I am glad he has sued. I don’t think he will find in Dallas County a court to grant injunctive relief to prevent the City of Dallas or the State Fair of Texas from enforcing the unlawful ban on firearms. It is a lot like Harris County.

So they get to continually break the law without punitive damages for a few years. Wished it worked that way for us.

Perhaps the way forward is to lobby the legislature to specifically invalidate any anti-carry signage or policy for ANY organization that specifically organizes and operates the state fair—for profit and non profit alike. Make the law preemptive and specific so that no fair operator can hide behind any reason to bar legal carry.

You’d think that the language of the current law is plain enough, but the fair operators seem to think that it doesn’t apply to them. Therefore, make an addition to the law that specifically bars any state fair operator from enforcing a no-carry zone.

I’m happy that AG Paxton has filed the suit, but unless the defendants are forced to pay the accruing fines, I’d guess that the city of Dallas, the State Fair of Texas, and Fairpark First will stonewall and get delays in court proceedings long enough for the fair to finish running before the court ever has a chance to slap the defendants down.

Then next year, Fairpark First will be reorganized and operating under a new name, and the same old song and dance will begin again.

ScottDLS wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:03 pm

anygunanywhere wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 4:41 pm

ScottDLS wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:22 pm

anygunanywhere wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:28 pm

Caliber wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:30 am Here's the deal: The State Fair probably can't exclude gun carriers pursuant to Texas gun laws. However, they can trespass you and they don't need a reason. I don't believe the property is "public property" since is leased by a non-governmental entity.

You are probably correct.

I’m not picking at nits in your statement but am thinking about the overall logic.

If the state fair cannot legally exclude gun carriers from entering then why is it possible to legally trespass them out? Does not make sense! Citizens legally exercising their RKBA where they are legally allowed to be and not doing anything to meet the standards of breaking any law should be allowed entry and th fair should not be able to do anything to prevent it.

The fairgrounds property IS public property, belonging to the City of Dallas, and they cannot charge you with Trespass. However, they will have private security physically prevent you from entering armed. And there will be nothing you can do about it.

The legislature needs to fix this. Being treated as second class citizens and being denied access to public property while exercising our constitutional rights is growing old.

The most important thing the legislature did, and I'll at least say I posted the idea here years ago, is lower the 30.05/6 trespass offenses to no-jail $200 ticket misdemeanors. At that point I stopped looking for signs or trying to understand the "owners' intent", verbal notice, written notice, oral notice, aural notice, an-l notice or whatever the heck a frownie face with a toy gun picture means. I carry everywhere where I want to unless I know it's a felony, or it's a class B or higher misdemeanor with a high chance of getting caught.

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