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srothstein wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 pm The Force Science Institute has done some very interesting studies on the time it takes between recognizing a threat and actually shooting at it, plus how hard it it to change your mind once the decision to shoot has been made. If there is ever a question on why you shot someone after they "were no longer and active threat", make very sure your defense attorney knows to contact them and get copies of their studies.

Correia has mentioned the institution before, and in his videos he has demonstrated actual examples of what they say.

Keith B wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:58 am

carlson1 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:54 am Legal question. When he was shooting at the suspect as the suspect ran away if he had hit him in the back would this be a different story since the shooter was running away? Was there still a threat?

Of course all of this is Monday morning quarterbacking.

In the case of a police officer, they can use deadly force to stop a person fleeing from a felony.

John Correia of ASP says…and he says that this applies to armed citizens as well as LEOs…"it’s not WHERE you shot them, it’s WHY you shot them that matters."

If an assailant is shooting at you as he runs off or a quartering away from you, and you return fire and hit him in the back, unless the prosecutor's parents weren’t married, you would be subject to the same legal self defense standards as if you had shot the BG in the chest while facing each other. There’s also the matter of what the BG does between your perception of the need to defend yourself, your decision to shoot, and when the neural command reaches your trigger finger. Maybe he turned his back between when you saw the need to shoot, decided to shoot, and actually shot. The WHY versus WHERE standard accommodates this.

That is my understanding of things.

Ruark wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:19 am My CHL instructor cited many instances where this happened - LEOs emptying their magazines point blank and missing every shot. Happens all the time. I think a LOT of people out there have utterly no clue what it's like to be in this situation. You can't see, you can't think, you can't move, you can't breathe. That's why it's really critical to do draw-and-fire drills (dryfire, SAFELY of course) until you can do it instantly, without thinking.

Decades ago, in about 1989-90, my wife and I lived across the street from a LA Co sheriff’s deputy who worked undercover narcotics. He described once having raided a crackhouse where the subject, who was considered armed and dangerous and for whom they had a warrant, had hidden himself behind the shower curtain in the (small) back bathroom. One of my friend’s fellow deputies went in the bathroom, discovered the perp behind the shower curtain, and a gunfight ensued at bad breath distance. 12 shots total were fired in rapid succession—6 from the deputy's revolver, and 6 from the perp's revolver—and nobody got hit…all within the confines of a small back bathroom. It was after that that my neighbor said he started carrying something with more capacity when he was working undercover.

Another time a year or two later, when I came home from work, my neighbor was sitting on the curb out front of his house, nursing a bourbon on ice. I sat down next to him and we chatted for a bit. I asked him how work was going, and he said he had shot and killed a drug dealer a week or so prior. It was on another crackhouse raid, and my neighbor was armed with a rifle this time (presumably a AR-15, but he never specified to me what it was). He said that the dealer was hidden in a back bedroom of this crackhouse. When Darryl (my neighbor) entered the bedroom with the rifle at the ready, the perp popped up from behind the bed with a pistol, and Darryl double-tapped him before he could get a shot off.

Darryl was enjoying that whiskey that day.