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TxRVer wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:I spotted a fallacy, and then I'm done...

CHL we know requires one to secure their weapons when unattended.

I just searched through the law as downloaded from the DPS website. The word "secure" occurs on 7 pages. None of the references are to a CHL holder being required to secure his/her weapon when unattended. So that is just not true.

Now, it would foolish not to do so using a lockbox, but so far as I can tell, hiding your gun under the seat and locking your car would qualify as "secured" for legal purposes.

I smell sulfur in the air... Are there any trolls hiding under bridges nearby?

That sure sounded a lot like an opinion.

Islands7 wrote:

Keith B wrote:And, BTW on your off-limits locaitons, you are not required to leave your CCW behind when going into a church unless it is 30.06 posted or you have recevied oral notification to not carry there.

OK, help me with this reading & yes I am new:
PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
HOLDER.

(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established
place of religious worship.

Security
Our concealed class taught that unsecured firearms that endanger a child will be dealt with via Texas law. I will try to find that & post, if interested.

I would think this might have been stretched even to stolen guns later used in a crime but memory fails .....

Experience
Also note that if anyone has first hand experiences with real-world law enforcement consequences that dealt with convertibles vs. security or lack of security of concealed firearms, this would be very enlightening.

seamusTX wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:I smell sulfur in the air... Are there any trolls hiding under bridges nearby?

Now don't play the troll card until he asks three questions before you can cross the bridge.

Oh, wait.

To the OP: No hard feelings. You're had your baptism by fire.

- Jim

CHL we know requires one to secure their weapons when unattended.

Islands7 wrote:This topic is not looking for opinions, as plenty of these can be found elsewhere on this site.
CHL we know requires one to secure their weapons when unattended.
The scenario here is - one drives their convertible "rag top" into the parking lot of church/school/post office/etc. and must secure their weapon in this car when entering such buildings.
The most obvious compliance would be one of those lockboxes that steel cable to one of the car's fixed metal pieces - but is this purchase really necessary, as per the law?
These other solutions need to be addressed by those closer to the law or have real-life experiences (again, no opinions please!).
These "solutions" assume locked doors, top up & locked in place, trunk locked AND that "concealed" does not equal "secured":
1. Inside locked glove box
2. Inside unlocked or unlockable glove box
3. Concealed inside other unlockable compartments, e.g. center console, door map pocket (covered by towel/rag), "hidden compartment",Inside running board concealed under seat, etc.
4. Inside trunk
5. Inside lockable tool box that resides on & is secured (by concealed bolts) to running board (older cars)
6. Inside locked luggage secured to outside luggage rack; further how secure does the luggage have to be to be compliant; or does the weapon have to be inside a lockbox inside the luggage if not secured legally?