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by The Annoyed Man
Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:50 pm
Forum: New to CHL?
Topic: Carry in churches...
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Re: Carry in churches...

olepal wrote:Thanks everyone. As I understand the requirement, churches can inform people, either in writting or verbally, given by someone in authority, and not have to post the 30.06 signs. Is that correct? Also, point me in the direction of a link to that statute if you can. As you may have read in the news, a Mormon Bishop was shot and killed Sunday while in his office between services, out in CA. That has given rise to a lot of discussion on carry at church and much of that involves incorrect information.

Thanks for the help,

olepal
They would have to individually notify all members, and each new visitor as they enter. If they sent out an email broadcast to all the members, but half the email addresses in the list were old and no longer valid, then proper notification was never given to those members whose addresses were invalid. Even if it were announced from the pulpit, anyone who was not there that day was not given proper verbal notice. Even if the guy who usually sits in the pew next to you passes on the information to you after church, you were not given proper notification by a person in authority, and it still does not apply to you personally. Therefore, in all practicality, the pastor or someone else in a position of authority in church staff/leadership, may give you a direct verbal or written notice, but that notice applies only to you, because Tom, Dick, and Harry, all standing sixteen feet away from you out in the lobby and who are also armed under the authority of a CHL, did not hear or receive the notice and are therefore not in violation of the law. If you are given such notice, it has to be A) personally delivered, and B) actual church policy for the verbal or written notice you were given to be enforceable - because otherwise, you've only been given notice of that person's opinion, and not an enforceable notice of the church's policy.

Nope. The only way to make sure it will be seen by all attendees, both members and visitors, is to post it at the doors. And if they post it at the doors, then it has no force of law unless it is a 30.06 compliant sign.

Lastly, Texas law is not applicable toward whatever happened in a Mormon church in California and has no relevance. Here in Texas, if a church wants to bar its members from carrying inside the premises, the only way they can do it and make it stick is to post a compliant 30.06 sign at all entrances.

That's my best understanding.

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