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by The Annoyed Man
Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:19 am
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chasfm11 wrote:
OldCannon wrote: My experience during that event taught me a lot what kind of "humanity" to expect in bad situations, and I only sampled the tip of the iceberg. I even got the joy of having my water supply to my home burst from freezing about 3 days into that ordeal. I was as completely unprepared as you could be and I swore "never again." My lesson about the criminal elements, however, was akin to what Selco was saying in a link bnc offered (http://www.tacticalintelligence.net/blo ... ccount.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). If you think you can hunker down in your home with just you and the family, you are either a) sorely underestimating the determination of criminal elements, b) sorely overestimating your ability to single-handedly defend your home, or (more likely) c) a and b. You have to think larger, communal scale and "squad up" for longer-term scenarios. I'm grateful that the power was partially restored after 5 days, but I'm even more grateful that the crime in my neighborhood didn't rise above generator theft. I imagine it would have gotten much worse had we been without power a few more days longer.
Some of us are trying to make our respective neighborhoods aware of these situations. Every account of a prolonged emergency has stories just like yours yet when you try to show those stories to most people, they just smile and give you the teen-age mentality "that cannot happen here" response. We seem to be a society of ostriches.

We're fortunate. All but one of my immediate neighbors are gun owners and avid shooters and we have routinely worked together, helping each other in non-emergency situations. When each of us needs help, all that is necessary is to ask. I can only hope in a true emergency that we could band together and work out a mutual protection arrangement. Beyond them, there doesn't seem to be much appetite for this sort of discussion. I suspect that would change rapidly if the stuff runs into the fan.
Chaz, I'm envious. Nobody in my neighborhood seems interested in this stuff. Like I mentioned earlier, a couple of my neighbors actually imagine that they'll come over and borrow some of my guns if they need one......like I would actually loan them out to people who don't know what they're doing or don't care enough to prepare for themselves.

Now, like OldCannon, I lived through a long drawn out blackout in NYC back in 1977 (WIKI). To add insult to injury, the Son of Sam murders were going on at this time. The Wiki page incorrectly says that the blackout lasted from July 13th to July 14th. That might be true for some neighborhoods, but my neighborhood (E. 82nd St, between 2nd and 3rd Avenues) was on the same part of the grid as the mayor's mansion, and we were the absolute last neighborhood to get power back, 4-1/2 days later, for political reasons. I was having dinner down in China Town with a couple of friends when the lights went out. The restaurant comped everyone their meals since they couldn't ring anything up, and I caught a bus to return uptown to my home. Imagine trying to take a bus from nearly the bottom of Manhattan all the way up to the east 80s without a single operating traffic light. And add to the mix the fact that the electrically driven subways were no longer functioning. It was a nightmare.....and people were actually trying to pull together. Citizens with flashlights got out into the intersections and tried to direct traffic to restore some order to the flow. Baskin Robbins stores were giving away their ice-cream. Neighbors shared candles and flashlight batteries.

In my particular neighborhood, that kind of cooperation tended to continue during the entire length of the blackout. July/August in NYC is generally pretty miserable, being pretty hot and VERY humid. My greatest inconvenience was probably the lack of airconditioning. But in other neighborhoods in other boroughs, the blackout was viewed as a license to do things that those people thought they could get away with under cover of darkness. There was fairy large scale rioting in some areas. 550 police officers were injured in rioting. Thousands of people were arrested; shops looted; buildings burned. In one case, thieves stole all 50 brand new Pontiacs on the lot at a Bronx dealership. Etc., etc., etc. I was just fortunate to live in an area where none of this was a problem, and in my youthful naiveté, I thought of it as a sort of adventure rather than something terrifying.

Society has coarsened much more in the intervening 35 years, and I'm no longer so sanguine.
by The Annoyed Man
Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:04 am
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OldCannon wrote:In the list of scenarios you would have to deal with, EMP gets a lot of armchair survivalist talking, but is statistically in the "lightning strike's chance" of TEOTWAWKI scenarios. Far greater is the scenario of civil unrest being spread like wildfire by news media (i.e., London Riots), with a likely significant disruption to ERCOT, SPP, or other power grid that will cause urban exodous. To be honest, EMP scenarios aren't even on my list of "what to prepare for", because there's a whole host of other problems that are associated with it that would drain my time and resources away from more-likely situations.

My #1 challenge will be to get to a family enclave in central Texas (I have cousins far and wide over Texas, so it's the most-likely gathering place). I think worrying about my transportation being frazzed is way down on my list of worries. I'm much more concerned about availability of fuel, and my scenarios basically involve me planning on a one-shot trip to wherever I need to go. After that, I'll be looking for horses.
You're probably right about EMP, but it is worth giving some consideration to. The scenario in the book "Patriots" involves a market meltdown which leads to social unrest and collapse of the government.....which at times lately has seemed frighteningly within the realm of the possible, given the recently shaky economy and a government which refuses to do keep its hands off of it and let it heal itself.

I want to more immediately be prepared for surviving a natural disaster, because that is the statistical highest probability, and for me, that means the aftermath of a tornado simply because of where I live. When I lived in California, it was earthquake preparedness, and we had done of a pretty good job of having that covered. But disaster preparedness is only one part of a three part strategy consisting of:
  1. Natural disaster preparedness.
  2. Long term self-sufficient living and retirement.
  3. Surviving Ragnarok
I think that it is not only possible to accomplish all three if you do things right, but doing it right can actually qualitatively improve your regular life.
by The Annoyed Man
Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:13 am
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Scott in Houston wrote:Hadn't considered EMP's much in my planning, but that's an interesting point. The main thing it would affect for me would be flashlights and AIMpoints. <--- ugh. Yes, I co-witness, but would hate to lose the Aimpoint! :shock:
I hadn't even thought of that....I have an EOTech, would probably fry too. Now that's a powerful argument for having an ACOG. Hmmmmm..... how to convince the wife? :headscratch
by The Annoyed Man
Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:43 pm
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Tallinthesaddle wrote:EMP vs. a motorcycle. I have read several stories about the effect of an EMP on a late model car/truck. How about a motorcycle? Especially a kick start only dirt bike/off road bike? I could get in the market for one of those.
It's not just the starter mechanism. If it has digital ignition instead of a mechanical distributor, it will be fried. Anything with a motherboard will be fried. It would have to be pretty much a pre-1980's vintage motorcycle to be EMP-proof. My brother's old 1982 R100RS BMW had digital ignition, on a two cylinder pushrod motor. And for sure any bike that has fuel injection will have an engine management computer that would be fried by an EMP.
by The Annoyed Man
Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:43 pm
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George, I have a 6000 watt (7000 peak) Champion power generator (LINK). When I have gotten my setup complete, I will use chasfm11's approach to gas storage. Once I have gotten my rural property set up with windmill generation and deep storage batteries, then I don't really have to store a large volume of gasoline, and using stabilizers, can extend the shelf life. Also, budget permitting, a conversion over to diesel powered vehicles would make the problem of fuel storage for vehicles much simpler.
by The Annoyed Man
Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:19 am
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chasfm11 wrote:I find the story of the tornado shelter from a previous post interesting. Having read "Last Light" and "One Second After", I have a real dilemma about how to deal with a sudden group of "friends".....
I'll have to read "Last Light." Another novel which briefly touches on the Christian way of handling these things is "PATRIOTS, a novel of surviving in the coming collapse."

Regarding sudden "friends," I get the following from people who, knowing about my gun collection, will say something along the lines of "I'm coming over to your house when the manure hits the fan!" I first heard it from my neighbor across the street. And more recently, I've started hearing it from friends at church. I used to just grin and shrug it off. But more recently, I've started having a more visceral reaction. I've told them, "no, it is not my responsibility to be your armory. If you think you're going to possibly need to protect yourself in the future, then you need to take actions to do so now, while you can." I actually get a little angry at it—the presumption by some that they don't need to prepare for whatever because they know that others have.

I want to tell them, "if you enter in under my protection, then you will be my unquestioning slave, because I can't protect you and work on my own survival. Therefore, you will work for both of our survivals, while I work on our protection. You will take your orders from me, and you will obey them without question. This won't be a democracy. If you don't like that, it's my way or the highway. On the other hand, if you act today, while you can, to ensure your own protection, then we can be allies instead of master/overseer, and you can retain some sovereignty over your lives. Now, wouldn't that be the better alternative?" My neighbor has even expressed the desire to have just one pistol in his home (his wife has an irrational fear), and I have offered to help him shop for one and pick out whatever gun will best serve his interest. But he continues to say—as if this is OK with me—that he'll just come over and borrow one if he needs one..........like I would actually loan him one.

I have found that preparation for surviving whatever is coming (tornado, Ragnarok, zombie apocalypse, hurricane) is fairly expensive, particularly if you are living on a somewhat limited budget like I am currently, and it requires a specific and dedicated commitment to actually implementing it. It is also difficult to make wise decisions, as there are differing schools of thought on how to prioritize. In fact, threads like this are very helpful because they help people like me to learn from the actual experiences of other people.

And here is something else: preparing means having plans in place with other like-minded people for mutual support. A group of families can actually work better, smarter, and more efficiently to survive than a single family can. One of my regrets so far is that, even though I've lived here in Texas for 5-1/2 years now, I actually still don't know very many people with whom I am also close. My own family consists of my wife, my son, and me. Just the three of us. My extended family consists of my son's fiancé's family, whom we're just beginning to get to know. However, we know them well enough to know that they are nascent preppers. I have a few friends from church. I know a lot of people. I'm friends with only a few.

My real extended family all live back in California, and they are a write-off when it comes to survival—a thing which saddens me. I love my brothers, and I wish they gave due consideration to these things. They don't. My mother is 87 years old, and despite having survived great deprivation during the Nazi occupation as a young woman, she gives no thought to what she would have to do to survive again. She is a believer in a nanny state, and she is quite comfortable. In fact, I suspect that (like a lot of very elderly people who have lived through what she lived through) she would actually welcome death.

Personally, prepping is a struggle for me. There are the financial considerations, but there are also the considerations of limited energy to devote to it, and a sense that in some ways doing this now, at my current age and station in life, is almost more than I can handle. I really wish that I had started all of this at a younger age, and my advice to others is to do this while you are young enough to A) have the energy for it; and B) have the optimism for it. In other thread, someone quoted Dave Ramsey, saying "live like nobody else today so that you can live like nobody else tomorrow," or words to that effect. The fable of the ant and the grasshopper is quite valid. It takes some sacrifice to prepare well, and that sacrifice is easier to make when you are younger and more energetic than it is later in life when you are more infirm.

And speaking of infirm, in the event of a complete and long term social collapse, there are a lot of people like me who are going to probably die much younger than we would otherwise simply because we are dependent upon medications to sustain life. Diabetics are an obvious example. In my own case, there are five medications on which I depend. Two of those can be probably dispensed with as my weight comes down and my diet changes, those are blood pressure meds. One of the meds can probably be dispensed with by replacing it with something naturally grown, and that is pain control because of my back. But, the other two are a real problem. I no longer have a functioning thyroid gland, and I am dependent upon a daily thyroid supplement (which contributes to the difficulty of weight loss). There is no homeopathic alternative of which I am aware. Without a thyroid supplement, I will get sicker and sicker, and I will die much sooner, likely of heart disease. The other medication is intended to prevent an enlarged prostate. Without it, I am subject to crippling urinary tract infections, which in turn require pretty stiff doses of Cipro to knock them down. In fact, without antibiotic treatment, a UTI can easily become systemic and degenerate into sepsis, which is almost universally and rapidly fatal. Consequently, much of my preparation mindset is to ensure the survival of my loved ones, because I take it as a given that people like me will die off much sooner. I'm OK with my own demise because I know my King, but would like to see my loved ones' survival ensured before I pass, and so my long term strategy is being structured in that way.

My mother's health is beginning to fail now, and she has a pretty substantial estate. I love her and want her to live as long as possible, but she's 87 now and her physical capacities are diminishing at an accelerating rate. I would be surprised if she is still alive 5 years from now. When she passes, I will be using my share of her estate to buy a sufficiently large enough piece of property on which to survive.

I'll be looking for a piece of piece of property in the 100-200 acre range, geographical area still to be determined, but within a short day's drive of the DFW metroplex, with an existing home and barn in decent condition, and either a water supply flowing through it, or a well, or preferably both. I will install a windmill and power storage system. I want to be able to disconnect from the grid when necessary, and sell power back to the grid while a grid still exists. I want a smallish portion of the acreage to be arable and capable of growing a variety of produce, in enough volume to contribute to the support of my immediate family and perhaps a few other people. Any interim surplus would be sold back to the local community in farmers' markets. I want a portion of the acreage devoted to pasture, and we have been talking about raising goats—both as a source of meat and dairy, not to mention wool. I would like a small orchard, perhaps pecans or some other useful type of nut. I want the lay of the land to be naturally defensible if at all possible. If that is not possible, then I would like the larger community to be geographically defensible. There are other things on the wish list, but that gives an idea. Basically, I want to become mostly self-sufficient, but I also I want to become cooperatively plugged into a local rural community to obtain that which I cannot provide for myself by bartering my surplus. And I want that community to have a mindset of mutual support. I personally believe that in the event of a complete collapse, this is the model that will best ensure survival, both for my wife and me, and for my son and his family (when that happens).

It's a large order to fill, and it is mostly a pipe-dream at the moment, entirely dependent on funds that I do not currently have. God willing, I'll be able to successfully complete it, and if I can complete it, I will retire to this property so that I won't have to try to escape to it. I will keep my house in the city in Grapevine and either rent it out as an income property or give it to my son's family to live in until it's time to go. If necessary, I'll sell it to help fund my plans. If I can get my goals accomplished, then I can die satisfied that I have done the best I can for my family. Also, god-willing, none of these preparations will ever become necessary for survival. Even if they don't become necessary, I believe that I will have given my family a gift by completely changing their future into one of greater independence, closer community, and room to breath.
by The Annoyed Man
Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:54 pm
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BigPa wrote:I had hoped this would turn into a serious discussion. AS with most posts of this nature, it turns to junk. Later guys...
Dude, chill. It is a serious discussion. I apologize if I offended you by injecting a little humor into an answer to a legitimate question, so as to make that answer more entertaining to the guy who asked.

Next time, I'll try to sound all dry and boring and stuff. Have a nice day. :tiphat:
by The Annoyed Man
Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:26 pm
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Dave2 wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:I am also working on putting together bugout/bugin bags for each of us.
I know what a bugout bag is (I think), but what is a bugin bag?
You're at work, and your boss turns into a werewolf right in front of you and tries to eat you. You empty your 5 shot deeply concealed snubbie at him with no real effect, but it sets him back long enough that you shove a big heavy desk against him, pushing him through the floor to ceiling window 25 stories up. When you make it to the parking lot, it's full of zombies and you're out of ammo. Fortunately, these ones are newly made, and they're not very fast. You make it to your car, get your bugin bag out of the trunk, which contains everything you'll need to be able to survive the ride home to get get your family and then bugout with them.

Does that explain it? :lol:
by The Annoyed Man
Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:15 pm
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USA1 wrote:
KC5AV wrote:I can't resist.

http://www.dilbert.com/2011-07-31/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:rolll

I'm going to TAM's house. He was suspiciously short in his one and only post. :cool:
That's not a good plan. I'm one of those who started on this later in life. Other members are much further along than I am, and part of my problem is that I haven't had as much money to devote to it as I would have liked. Coming from California, we always had an "earthquake kit" which consisted of long-storage food items like freeze-dried camping foods and MREs, large water jugs, a decent first aid kit, over-the-counter analgesics and antihistamines, portable shelter (our camping tents and sleeping bags, as well as a pop-up trailer), a month's worth of prescription drugs which I have to take; a small amount of ammo and a pistol, flashlights and batteries, and a hand-crank AM/FM radio.

When we moved to Texas, it was normal for us to consider these things, and it didn't really matter if we were preparing for earthquakes or tornadoes, the preparations are essentially the same. But in the meantime, some of the things we had stockpiled were either past their shelf-life or approaching it, and we either consumed or disposed of them. Those things have still to be replaced. I have since added a respectable reloading setup, partly because ammo would have value as currency in any kind of societal collapse. I keep meaning to buy some junk silver, but some other need keeps coming up. I already have all the guns I need (but not all the guns I want :mrgreen: ). Transportation is more or less taken care of.....I very deliberately bought a 4WD vehicle, and we have some rugged bicycles. One thing I would like to buy is ONE OF THESE trailers. Outfitted the way I would want it, it runs just under $20K, but it will go anywhere my 4X can go. I am also working on putting together bugout/bugin bags for each of us. Right now, most preparations are behind simply for lack of money, but it is a work in progress.

Lastly, my long term plan is to buy a largish piece of property with a home on it, and begin outfitting that home to get it off the grid—partly because I'd like to have a certain amount of self-reliance capacity, and partly just to live more economically. The above mentioned 4X and the trailer are just part of the plan to get to the land, and then to be able to function and have mobility once we get there.

So, I have some things done, but large parts of the picture still need to be filled in. My house might not be the best place to fall back on right now, but I'm working on it. If the fit hits the shan before I'm ready, I'm loading up and high-balling for Tomball. I hope you have room for two. :smilelol5:
by The Annoyed Man
Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:05 am
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USA1 wrote:uh oh...I've said too much.
:leaving
Freak! :smilelol5:
by The Annoyed Man
Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:48 pm
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There are a lot of us, some further along than others.

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