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You know, actually Hamourkiller is right. The Garand won't have anywhere near the accuracy of a modern long range rifle, but it can be made very accurate. People have shot 1,000 yard matches with them using iron sights, and .30-06 is commonly available ammo. I would love to own one myself.

Drawbacks? A big heavy for tramping around the woods with; the en-bloc clip reloading design; and the fact that you won't want to shoot high pressure loads in it for fear of damaging the operating rod. But the peep sights on the Garand as well as on the M14/M1A are simply first rate. If .....not "if".....when I buy myself another M1A, I'm going to leave optics off of it and leave it as it is.

Longshot38 wrote:

jlcoulton wrote:Don't rule out the AR platform a semi-auto at long range has the benefits of fast follow-up shots. I have three rifles designated as tacticle, the first is a DPMS Panther Bull Special with a 6.5 x 20 power mil-dot reticle scope used for close range (out to 600 yards with the 73 grain berger's), the second is a DPMS LR308 with the same Leupold scope for mid-range and the third is an M40A1 in 300 win mag built by Mike Lau at Texas Brigade Armory with a Leupold 8.5 x 25 30mm scope with Mil-dot reticle for when you really need to reach out and touch someone. The DPMS ARs are extreamly accurate right out of the box, I have shoot 1 1/2 inch groups at 500 yards with the Panther Bull Special. I also have many Savage rifles and they are also remarkably accurate so you can't go wrong there either.

This as well. But do understand that a semi-auto is less forgiving then a bolt action. You have to be much more consistent with your form in order to make one shine.

That is absolutely true. I have no problems with my R700 .308, but my AR10 took some getting used to.

Longshot38 wrote:My recommendation stands. Quality glass and FFP ranging reticle with matching turrets. Some of favorites are the Vortex Razor and Viper PST lines, IOR, SWFA Super Snipers, Premier, S&B, and Hensoldt. They all offer the above mentioned features and are quality products backed by good companies. Some of these are high dollar optics and others are more budget minded. So there is something for everyone.

This. FFP milling/ranging reticle with matching turrets is a game changer. Put it this way: when your turret adjustments match your reticle's subtensions, you don't even need to know the range to target to get zeroed in two shots. With the crosshairs on the bullseye, make a shot, and then observe where the fall of shot lands. Then you use the subtensions in the reticle to measure how many clicks it will take to land a shot on the bullseye, relative to where the first one hit. If the fall of first shot is 1.6 mil low and .8 mil right, and your adjusters are .1 mil, then 16 clicks up and 8 clicks left should put the next round right into the bullseye. This will not work if your reticle is a mildot and your turret adjusters are 1/4 MOA. And if that is the case, you can count on those 1/4 MOA clicks equating to 1/4" at 100 yards......but what if the range to target is 280 yards and you haven't ranged the distance? Then you don't know how many 1/4 MOA clicks you'll have to make to zero at that new distance. But if the reticle and turrets match, then it is merely a matter of reading the reticle and adjusting accordingly.

It is really fast, and it is a better way of zeroing. Now, you will still need to know how to range distances with your reticle and read wind values so that you can calculate bullet drop and windage because you won't have the luxury of taking two shots in a hunting or tactical environment, but even so it makes the job easier if they all match.