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Scott B. wrote:If you're the only one shooting your NFA toys, I'd lean towards individual filings.

On suggestion for the heir or person handling your affairs, have example Form 5s filled out for each NFA item. Easy to do. Download the PDF, type in your details, print it off and keep it with your papers.

But with a Form 5 transfer of an NFA item, does the transferee still have to fill out a 4473 and undergo a background check, even without the tax stamp? And if that is the case, who holds the NFA item between your passing, and your heir’s taking possession? OR, is the transfer just like inheriting a gun (at least in Texas)?

Scott B. wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote: Multigenerational trusts still have an advantage. When I die, my son, wife, and daughter in law will not have to surrender the NFA items on the trust because it is multigenerational. Hopefully, by the time they approach end of life, my son will be able to transfer the items to my grandson’s possession.

Alternatively, individuals can list the NFA item(s) in their will. Then it's s Form 5 taxless transfer for the heir. It's not multi-generational, but it's easy.

I wonder if that can be dovetailed with the trust for my heirs’ heirs.

Scott B. wrote:

TxD wrote:Caution: Thread hijack.
For an NFA Trust. Are fingerprints required for all trusties and beneficiaries or just pictures?
TIA

For Form 1 or Form 4 items, all members of the trust have to be fingerprinted and photographed. FWIW, trusts are also taking much longer than individual applications.

Multigenerational trusts still have an advantage. When I die, my son, wife, and daughter in law will not have to surrender the NFA items on the trust because it is multigenerational. Hopefully, by the time they approach end of life, my son will be able to transfer the items to my grandson’s possession.

superstar wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

TxD wrote:Caution: Thread hijack.
For an NFA Trust. Are fingerprints required for all trusties and beneficiaries or just pictures?
TIA

Prints and pictures.

Do you go to the sheriff's office to get the photo and fingerprint taken or does one go to the fingerprint place they went for the LTC? If it's the latter, do they give you(e-mail) you the file or do they send it when you request it? TIA.

We used the kiosk system provided by TheSilencershop.com at a local gunstore, but that was because I was processing a suppressor purchase through that website. Otherwise, you’d have to go get the photos taken and your prints, and send them in with your Form 4. But so far as I know, that is only required for members of a trust. I don’t know if it is required for individual buyers.

TxD wrote:Caution: Thread hijack.
For an NFA Trust. Are fingerprints required for all trusties and beneficiaries or just pictures?
TIA

Prints and pictures.

superstar wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:You can build one on a Form 1, completely legally, for a third to a quarter of the retail price of buying one. I own three. One is a commercial AAC can in .308 caliber, one is a home built .308 caliber can, and one is a commercial Rugged Obsidian pistol can.

My advice is to always go over-bore. You can suppress a 5.56 weapon with a .308 can even quieter than a 5.56 can for the same weapon, but you can’t suppress a .308 weapon with a 5.56 can. External diameter for either can will be roughly the same - give or take maybe .1”.

To put home-built prices into comparison with commercial prices:

My all steel AAC 762-SDN-6 cost me $830 retail.

My aluminum / steel Rugged Obsidian45 pistol can (which will also work on 9mm even more quietly) cost me $850 retail.

My titanium / steel baffles home-built .308 can cost me about $240 in parts.

If you built your own AR, that is more complicated than building your own can. Search the forum for AndyC’s thread on “suppressor build” for more details, but it is just silly how simple it is.

Thanks for the tip! something to consider based on the very appealing price. Can we prep it (measure, cut it, etc.) and not assemble it first while one waits for the stamp's approval or is it best to get the stamp before buying the parts? TIA.

You can buy parts and do anything you want EXCEPT drill out the baffles or the end cap. You can form them, but if you drill those, you are in possession of a silencer, even if you have not assembled the parts. You’ll have to have the outer tube engraved with the relevant information, such as your name (or your trust name), the model# you designate for it, the serial# you designate for it, etc. But until you drill out the baffles and the endcap, it’s just a solvent trap....or something like that. Once you’ve got your tax stamp back from ATF, you can go ahead and assemble everything into a working suppressor. Assembly takes about 30 seconds. You’ll probably want to cerakote it. My son and I just used the spray on Cerakote on the ones we built. I think AndyC just used some kind of hi-temp Krylon paint or something like it.

AndyC and I bought our parts from https://sdtacticalarms.com, except for the baffles, which are just stainless steel freeze plugs which we bought from NAPA Auto Parts. You’ll also need a forming tool to form the freeze plugs into the right shape before drilling, and a small hydraulic press from Harbor Freight to compress the forming tool. I have to look through my emails for the supplier, since I can’t recall their name at the moment. You may find the name on the SDTacticalArms website. But if you READ THIS THREAD, most of the necessary details are discussed.

MaduroBU wrote:Get a separate rimfire can if. You'll be shooting .22 LR or only shoot jacketed rimfire like 17 hmr or .22wmr. Don't put .22 lr through a center fire rifle can.

Really only an issue if you can’t service the suppressor yourself because of the crud buildup. If the suppressor is user-serviceable, it shouldn’t make a difference.

You can build one on a Form 1, completely legally, for a third to a quarter of the retail price of buying one. I own three. One is a commercial AAC can in .308 caliber, one is a home built .308 caliber can, and one is a commercial Rugged Obsidian pistol can.

My advice is to always go over-bore. You can suppress a 5.56 weapon with a .308 can even quieter than a 5.56 can for the same weapon, but you can’t suppress a .308 weapon with a 5.56 can. External diameter for either can will be roughly the same - give or take maybe .1”.

To put home-built prices into comparison with commercial prices:

My all steel AAC 762-SDN-6 cost me $830 retail.

My aluminum / steel Rugged Obsidian45 pistol can (which will also work on 9mm even more quietly) cost me $850 retail.

My titanium / steel baffles home-built .308 can cost me about $240 in parts.

If you built your own AR, that is more complicated than building your own can. Search the forum for AndyC’s thread on “suppressor build” for more details, but it is just silly how simple it is.