isa268:
Marc (TraCoun) and I teach quite a few ladies-only NRA Basic Pistol courses, as well as the NRA Basic Personal Protection in the Home courses. The ladies-only format has been extremely popular. It is very common in the Basic Pistol course to have at least one lady who is either there because her husband or boyfriend wanted her to get some training, or because they are terrified of guns and want to overcome it themselves.
We have yet to have one of them leave without enjoying themselves and feeling much more comfortable about guns. We teach at PSC in Friendswood and will be scheduling two more classes in the next 2 or 3 months.
Regards,
Chas.
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- Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:47 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: can you carry on city property?
- Replies: 22
- Views: 6061
- Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:54 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: can you carry on city property?
- Replies: 22
- Views: 6061
Hi Braden:
My opinion that 30.06 signs would not be enforceable at the George R. Brown Convention Center is based upon the express limitation set forth in Texas Penal Code Section 30.06. Subsection (e) reads as follows:
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.
The controlling issue is "does a governmental entity own (or lease) the property?" Since the Brown Convention Center is owned by the City of Houston, Section 30.06 would not be applicable.
The position that some cities are taking is that city-owned property that is leased to a non-governmental entity, such as a gun show or concert promoter, is not subject to the express limitations in Section 30.06, if the lessee of the property wishes to post a 30.06 sign. I believe this reasoning is erroneous.
While a lessee of property belonging to another does assume some of the rights of the owner, the lessee also "takes" the property subject to all lawful and statutory restrictions and limitations. A few examples may help. If the owner of property could not use the property for a bar, because a city ordnance prohibits the placement of bar within 1,000 feet of a school, then the lessee would also be subject to that limitation. The lessee of a condominium unit "takes" the unit subject to all lawful restrictions set forth by the homeowner's association, such as a provisions prohibiting pets, or limiting their number.
Another example: A city could not enforce a policy that would exclude people from a city-owned convention center, based upon their race, religion or gender, nor could a private person do so, if they leased that convention center for a party.
Since Section 30.06 expressly does not apply any property "owned or leased by a governmental entity," then it is my opinion that the lessee "takes" the property under the lease subject to this statutory limitation.
Remember, the rationale for the governmental property exclusion from Section 30.06 is the fact that governmental property is "owned" by all citizens and is distinct from private property. We still own it, even if the property is subject to a short-term or long-term lease to an event promoter.
As previously noted, by no means am I suggesting that anyone take on the role of test case, unless you go into it understanding the cost in time and money.
Regards,
Chas.
My opinion that 30.06 signs would not be enforceable at the George R. Brown Convention Center is based upon the express limitation set forth in Texas Penal Code Section 30.06. Subsection (e) reads as follows:
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.
The controlling issue is "does a governmental entity own (or lease) the property?" Since the Brown Convention Center is owned by the City of Houston, Section 30.06 would not be applicable.
The position that some cities are taking is that city-owned property that is leased to a non-governmental entity, such as a gun show or concert promoter, is not subject to the express limitations in Section 30.06, if the lessee of the property wishes to post a 30.06 sign. I believe this reasoning is erroneous.
While a lessee of property belonging to another does assume some of the rights of the owner, the lessee also "takes" the property subject to all lawful and statutory restrictions and limitations. A few examples may help. If the owner of property could not use the property for a bar, because a city ordnance prohibits the placement of bar within 1,000 feet of a school, then the lessee would also be subject to that limitation. The lessee of a condominium unit "takes" the unit subject to all lawful restrictions set forth by the homeowner's association, such as a provisions prohibiting pets, or limiting their number.
Another example: A city could not enforce a policy that would exclude people from a city-owned convention center, based upon their race, religion or gender, nor could a private person do so, if they leased that convention center for a party.
Since Section 30.06 expressly does not apply any property "owned or leased by a governmental entity," then it is my opinion that the lessee "takes" the property under the lease subject to this statutory limitation.
Remember, the rationale for the governmental property exclusion from Section 30.06 is the fact that governmental property is "owned" by all citizens and is distinct from private property. We still own it, even if the property is subject to a short-term or long-term lease to an event promoter.
As previously noted, by no means am I suggesting that anyone take on the role of test case, unless you go into it understanding the cost in time and money.
Regards,
Chas.
- Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:01 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: can you carry on city property?
- Replies: 22
- Views: 6061
You can carry in/on city owned property, other than the locations listed in Texas Penal Code Sections 46.03 & 46.035. (Typically, schools, sports arenas, courthouses, polling places, etc.) I don't think the city-owned museum or zoo are posted with 30.06 signs anyway. At least they weren't about six months ago. Be careful with private museums in the Museum District.
However, beware with the George R. Brown Convention Center. As discussed in the thread NRA 2005 Annual Meeting & Exhibits . . . in the General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion section, it is my opinion that 30.06 signs are unenforceable, even if posted by lessee's of the convention center, but you don't want to be the test case.
Regards,
Chas.
However, beware with the George R. Brown Convention Center. As discussed in the thread NRA 2005 Annual Meeting & Exhibits . . . in the General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion section, it is my opinion that 30.06 signs are unenforceable, even if posted by lessee's of the convention center, but you don't want to be the test case.
Regards,
Chas.