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extremist wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Did you know of the class action lawsuit that was filed and the claims made?

Of course, old news, not relevant to the TRAINING aspect of the school.

I didn't say it had anything to do with the training, but it has everything to do with how FS does business; it's part of the whole package that is FS.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

extremist wrote:Did you see the absurd promotional CD that Front Sight/Dr. Piazza sent to all IDPA members through IDPA HQ a few years ago? If so, what did you think of the claims?

No, didn't see that. I for one like the promotional CD that was put together that is given out if you request it, or attend the courses. Of course there were grandiose plans that were in the video that now are not realistically going to be completed. But the training facilities that are there now and operational are good and improvements are made each year. Will he ever reach his goal of building out? Who knows.

The video I'm talking about was sent by IDPA to all of its members -- once. In it, Dr. Piazza stated that no gun organization, even the NRA, could win the battle to protect the second Amendment. However, he, Dr. Piazza, could do it all by himself. He is so rich he has access to all liberal media types, especially in Los Angeles (yeah, LA) and that he was going to invite them to FS, the shooting Mecca. Once they learned to shoot at his facility, and listened to him, they would be instantly transformed to rabid, pro-Second Amendment journalists. But of course, we had to join FS and buy a lot in Mecca. It was absolutely laughable it was so bad. That was over ten years ago, so I wonder why we aren't Gun Utopia yet?

extremist wrote:I don't know how any pro-2nd Amendment supporter can possibly criticize Piazza's Front Sight philosophy of trying to change the mindset of NON-ProGun people onto our side? Do you not agree with what he's trying to accomplish?

No, I absolutely do not agree that is what he's trying to do. Dr. Piazza has one and only one goal -- promote Dr. Piazza and of course make money doing it.

extremist wrote:Do you not agree with his examples of Harley Davidson and how the image was turned around from negative to positive? I for one respect Larry Pratt, Tonya Mataska, Aaron Zellman and other spokesman on the video about what Front Sight's mission is. Do you disagree with the "mission" (not the sales pitch)?

I haven't seen the video you mention, so I can't comment. However, I did see Mataska on the video I referenced and she was just spouting the "Dr. Piazza can convince everyone" garbage. No, I don't think Piazza/FS has any mission other than making money and a big part of that is selling empty promises of a planned community, i.e. his "shooting Mecca."

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

extremist wrote:Go to FS as much and as often as you like, but TexasCHLforum will not be used to promote it.

Sorry I hit a sore spot with you, that was not my intention. I was just offering an answer to the poster that had some first hand knowledge and experience with the training and the materials - which is what he asked. I don't consider that "promoting" Front Sight.

You didn't hit a nerve. No discussion of FS is complete unless it covers its business practices. I don't want TexasCHLforum members going to FS based upon something they read here without knowing about those practices ahead of time.

Chas.

Tamie wrote:So far, the people who like Frontsight are people who trained there, and the people who don't like Frontsight are people who didn't train there. That's an interesting split.

There are two issues with FS; 1) the quality of the training; and 2) business and promotional practices. both must meet my standards for me to train there. My concerns are with the latter based upon people who did deal with FS, as well as the absolute tripe put out in the FS promotional video mailed to IDPA members. I express no opinion on the level of training offered at FS.

Chas.

extremist wrote:If you want real feedback from someone who has been there several times, and not some internet commando second hand drivel, then feel free to contact me.'

Who are you referring to?

extremist wrote:And with regards to the slam above, how many accidental shootings have occurred at the other big schools (i.e. Recently GUNSITE)? How many were shooter carelessness? And how many were law enforcement (doing it their way). Look it up. AND what rate per students trained?

Give us the numbers please. As for Thunder Ranch, I believe the answer is still none.

extremist wrote:FS trains more regular people every year than all the other schools COMBINED.

What is the source for this statement? I hope it's not Dr. Piazza

Did you know of the class action lawsuit that was filed and the claims made? Did you see the absurd promotional CD that Front Sight/Dr. Piazza sent to all IDPA members through IDPA HQ a few years ago? If so, what did you think of the claims?

Frontsight used to advertise on the TSRA website and without prior approval, included a disaster photo to with a statement that "TSRA wants to you . . ." FS doesn't advertise on TSRA's website any longer.

Go to FS as much and as often as you like, but TexasCHLforum will not be used to promote it.

Chas.