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2crazy2carry wrote:A) Small business loans have elements taht make them less costly and also allow ppl without much money to start a business. In the end you SAVE money from doing it straight through a bank or shelling out your own start up money. The money you save is the FREEEEE money.

Also I meant to add in subsidees and governement grants, and oh yeah that thing they call a stimulus that I saw a bunch of Republican run business cozying up to their local Republican representative to get free handouts...oh i mean money to help their company...oh mean money to give themselves in bonus' since there was no requirement to use the moeny to actually higher a proportional amount of ppl to the amount of money given...................

b) 2009 was over all deflationary. See i can google too: http://inflationdata.com/inflation/infl ... lation.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
this nation has been screaming out of control on inflation. Just beacuse the fed cut the interest rate to 0% for the big banks doesnt mean jack. It didnt help for very long so the fed brought the interest rate back up a bit. You took the -34% deflation out of context to the last ten years and how it has gone up and continues to rise since the end of last year.

c) The 401ks can hardly be considered a mojority stake holder in a company. Yeah go down to your local fortune 500 and tell them you have a 401k with some teachers union and want to talk. They will laugh you out of the room. Thats the faulicy. The idea that because you have a 401k or limited stocks with a company somehow they consider you part of the "team". They only want your money and if they could seperate you from your money and keep it they would......Thats in fact what they did and why soo many ppl today have deflated or have completely lost there 401ks. It is true some 401k's have come back...but again the holders of those 401k are still not "important" to the company and the compnay does not care about the individual. They care about profits and growth. not baggage and payouts to 401k's

D) at 74novaman You telling me i am in an ivory tower becasue I am a proponent of ppl getting an educatation and taking the economics required classes of a standard degree plan to fully understand things? That this might help them to understand economics in a way to were they cannot have the wool pulled over there eyes and things like the derivitives scams cannot happen again? REALLY? You know I think that is just your way of trying to de-validate ideas that challenge your own. You cannot argue with the idea of becoming educated individual so you set the expectation that unless I went to a private ivy league school I am not qualified to speak. I am actually a current student in a 4 year college and am actively involved in both political clubs and groups as well as economic clubs. My major is political science and in about 1 year I will be attending law school. Whats funny is you will probably attack this as a lie and try to ssay something like if it were true I wouldnt need to say it or something. LOL...I talk too much to not be someone trying to become a lawyer...

e) @ 74novaman - I agree that we are a Republic but we are also a democracy in many ways too. that said the idea of a republic is that the power lies within the individual hands not consolidated to the hands of a few......So my point is still valid. Money is power and is the money is monopolized..or to put it more formally...If the monetary system in a country is imbalanced, whether by intention or accident, the end result will be a consolidation of wealth to a small group of ppl. The cosolidation of wealth throughout history has correlated to the distress of ecnomies and the bankrupting of entire nations. So We must protect out monetary system inorder to protect the economy which is the driving engine of how power is ditributed in this country. So like you think ppl are linked to business...Money and power a linked to rights and freedom. Without resources you are powerless over your own life. We are all then just hampsters in a cage waiting to be feed. That is not the vision of our fore fathers.