I've been kinda playing devil's advocate here. While I do believe a business owner has the right to set rules for whom he will bake a cake I also think they have to aware of any laws governing where they set up their space. If the AG has said such signs are unenforceable in government space then he needs to abide by such.rotor wrote:I think you can ask anyone to leave that you want to force out as long as it is not one of those restricted categories assuming your space was otherwise open to the public. What I don't think you can do is have a 30.06/07 sign that is enforceable by law for a person that crosses into your leased property. I think that you could still ask them to leave. If you had a 30.06 sign up and they walked in concealed and you didn't know they were concealed than I don't think they could be class c misdemeanor charged. I think that you can ask anyone you want to leave your leased space though. Consider public housing, owned by the government, you walk into someone's apartment and they ask you to leave. You better leave.jmorris wrote:I'm doing business in leased space on government property. I ask you to leave the area I'm doing business in, be it a gun show, a restaurant, or a quilting bee, because you've violated a rule I established for entrance[1]. I'm not saying you have to leave the property, just the small part under my control.
I'm not restricting this to the carrying of a firearm but for any reason. Do I not have the right to ask you to leave? As long as I'm not violating a discrimination law.
[1]It's a black-tie quilting bee and you're wearing jeans.
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- Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:53 pm
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- Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:33 pm
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I'm doing business in leased space on government property. I ask you to leave the area I'm doing business in, be it a gun show, a restaurant, or a quilting bee, because you've violated a rule I established for entrance[1]. I'm not saying you have to leave the property, just the small part under my control.
I'm not restricting this to the carrying of a firearm but for any reason. Do I not have the right to ask you to leave? As long as I'm not violating a discrimination law.
[1]It's a black-tie quilting bee and you're wearing jeans.
I'm not restricting this to the carrying of a firearm but for any reason. Do I not have the right to ask you to leave? As long as I'm not violating a discrimination law.
[1]It's a black-tie quilting bee and you're wearing jeans.
- Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:55 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Ft Worth Enforcing Ammo Ban at Will Rogers
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It's the same as any business. I don't like something you're doing, I ask you to leave, you refuse, now it's trepass.ScottDLS wrote:And if I refused? Would I be charged? With what? What if the mayor of Ft. Worth made a rule, no live ammo in city hall. Not a law (preemption applies), but then the Ft. Worth PD checked you in a metal detector and made you empty all your ammo and zip tied your gun...jmorris wrote:None, you'd just be asked to leave for violating his rules.ScottDLS wrote:So what law would you be charged with breaking for ignoring the show promoter's rules and carrying a loaded concealed handgun ON GOVERNMENT OWNED PROPERTY (i.e. property that you paid for)?doncb wrote:All of the talk about the 30.06 / .07 is fine. Everyone can agree that the signs are not enforceable. However, the show organizer CAN prohibit almost anything they want. They can prohibit cigars if they want to. If they don't want you bringing in ammo (as a non vendor) or a loaded gun they are well within their rights. If they hire off duty police to handle the policy the city has nothing to do with it. Don't like it don't go.
- Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:51 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Ft Worth Enforcing Ammo Ban at Will Rogers
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None, you'd just be asked to leave for violating his rules.ScottDLS wrote:So what law would you be charged with breaking for ignoring the show promoter's rules and carrying a loaded concealed handgun ON GOVERNMENT OWNED PROPERTY (i.e. property that you paid for)?doncb wrote:All of the talk about the 30.06 / .07 is fine. Everyone can agree that the signs are not enforceable. However, the show organizer CAN prohibit almost anything they want. They can prohibit cigars if they want to. If they don't want you bringing in ammo (as a non vendor) or a loaded gun they are well within their rights. If they hire off duty police to handle the policy the city has nothing to do with it. Don't like it don't go.