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gigag04 wrote:I'm officially done with this thread.

Me too.

Oldgringo wrote:OTOH, if he was merely seeking attention, he succeeded in gettin' some.

Eight pages later:

What has the scoundrel had to say in his defense? You know, the minority guy who was arrested, what has he had to say about this perceived miscarriage of justice?

Based solely on my limited and dated experience (see previous post) with the law, LEO's on the scene are not there to debate the issue/question. As someone opined earlier, take it up with the juge and the LEOs' superiors at a later date. ITMT, it's di di mau.

YMMV.

(Why am I awake at this unGodly hour?)

WildBill wrote:

hirundo82 wrote:

Hoi Polloi wrote:

WildBill wrote:There was no indication that he was either aggressive or challenging the LEOs.

I was referring to the bystander's account. "They told him many times if he didn't he could leave. He told them to make him leave." Telling cops who are asking you to leave to "make me" is having an adversarial attitude in my opinion.

Yep, and it sounds like they then arrested him for contempt of cop.

Pretty much.

Some things just never change.

'Contempt of cop' was what landed me in the Nashville jail one Saturday night back in 1962. The cops wrote illegal possession (beer) and disorderly conduct on the citation but I know it was really 'contempt of cop'. FWIW, that one night of "Jailhouse Rock" broke me of any further need to display my superior knowledge/intellect or wit to any future LEO.

OTOH, if he was merely seeking attention, he succeeded in gettin' some.

gigag04 wrote:IMHO an empty holster is at least reasonable suspicion that an individual may have a handgun. If the officer can articulate that into a reasonable belief that a danger might be present, I think a Terry frisk is fine.

To refuse the search was his blunder. Hope all ends up ok though.

This sort of blunder is what gives me pause...