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03Lightningrocks wrote:

philip964 wrote:An article that interviewed the woman says she is transgender. So the two other ladies are in a big pack of trouble as the victims minority trumps the attackers minority. It will be a hate crime now.

I bet your right. Especially if the other two girls shouted any derogatory statements about transgendered people as they beat her/him/it... not sure what to call it . Regardless , it still did not deserve that kind of beating.

WildBill wrote:

sawdust wrote:I say, "de-escalate" the situation by dousing the assailants with a glass of, or bucket of ice water, or hosing them down with a water hose. Anything that breaks them out of their aggressive rage with an unexpected action.

Actually I had the same thought. An Extra Large Ice Water.

Keith B wrote:

KD5NRH wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

KD5NRH wrote:Pepper spray the whole mess of 'em, then get between the aggressors and the victim.

Pepper spray is contagious, you know...

Kimber; it's more of a gelatinous goopy glob than a mist. The spread is easily enough to get three people from 10-12 feet.

This is a good point. The newer gels are much better at avoiding spray drift, especially with the winds we get here in North Texas.

I responded to an incident at a neighborhood bar (tavern) years ago when we used CS. One officer had already arrived and entered the bar. Another officer and I were passing the front window where they had a window fan. He was behind me and I made the door and he was just in front of the window with the fan when the officer inside sprayed the individual with CS. The window fan sucked the spray out and it hit the other officer square in the face. He was incapacitated to the point he couldn't see, so we were now down to only two of us. Luckily the person who had been sprayed had surrendered to the other officer and we were able to cuff him easily.

The point is, if you try spraying a person with the wind in your face, you may end up with a dose or more of the spray than the person you are trying to repel, and you are now not able to function and they may now have an even greater advantage over you.

Dave2 wrote:Wow, McDonald's sure has gotten dangerous in this past week.

03Lightningrocks wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

austinrealtor wrote:

seamusTX wrote:What do you do after you produce a weapon and start issuing commands, and no one obeys you?

To put it bluntly, what do you think is going to happen when a white man in plain clothes pulls a gun in a crowd of angry and excited black people?

What are the friends or relatives of the combatants going to do?

Please don't call me a racist. This is a real situation that police officers often face. And the police have more legal authority behind them and can call for backup.

- Jim

EVERYONE should read and think long and hard about what Jim has written above. Very good advice.

ABSOLUTELY!

If two black women beat up on the white girl, how do you think their applauding audience is going to receive your honky heinie? Surely, you don't think yours is the only concealed gun in the joint, do you?

Secondly, what are you doing in this part of town anyway?

Sometimes you have to be in that part of town if your doing family things. Couple examples... Six Flags in Arlington. Talk about a bad part of town. How about the zoo? Seems like every zoo I have ever been to was located in an inner city ghetto. Graceland in Memphis... good luck with that one.... LOL. My family and I have been to each and every one of those areas and stopped in places where we were the only white people in the joint. I refuse to let race cause me to alter where and how I have a meal or partake in entertainment.

That white girl may have been one of their acquaintances. Maybe she was just as low class as them and made some ghetto faux pas!! Regardless, I am not Billy Bad, but I will be darned if I could just sit by and watch a person get done that way and not make an attempt to stop it. Pulling my gun would not even cross my mind. Knocking one of those animals out might have crossed my mind, but shooting them??? Not unless they forced me to. People are people and cowards are cowards... no matter what race they might be. Think about it for a minute. There was already one person man enough to say no. Heck... two. The older lady also stepped up! Did anyone jump the old white lady? NOPE! If just one more person had said stop, maybe that girl would have suffered less beating.

I am not recommending we put on our capes. I am saying that the line for me is if I am watching someone being done bodily harm. I would stand by and do nothing while the same two girls took everyones wallets at gunpoint. But once they start doing bodily harm.... Challenge Accepted... GAME ON!

WildBill wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:Secondly, what are you doing in this part of town anyway?

I don't know what part of town she was in, but being it was a McDonald's I might have just been hungry and wanted a cheeseburger.

austinrealtor wrote:

seamusTX wrote:What do you do after you produce a weapon and start issuing commands, and no one obeys you?

To put it bluntly, what do you think is going to happen when a white man in plain clothes pulls a gun in a crowd of angry and excited black people?

What are the friends or relatives of the combatants going to do?

Please don't call me a racist. This is a real situation that police officers often face. And the police have more legal authority behind them and can call for backup.

- Jim

EVERYONE should read and think long and hard about what Jim has written above. Very good advice.

paadams wrote:
...There are several black males standing watching and one recording as two black females attacked a white female. If I intervene, whether drawing a gun or not, how will the others react. It could easily turn to a 4 or 5 against 1 scenario and I don't like those odds....