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The Annoyed Man wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:I don't think this proves him a kenyan. However, I do think it shows that he has been willing throughout his entire life to embellish stories and to portray himself as what is most advantageous to him at the moment. More than most presidents it seems to be if the company he is in requires him to be capitalist he talks about the American way, if the crowd is more socialist we hear about fairness.. If it behooves him to be a religious fellow we will hear about his faith, if the present company is more hostile to faith he will talk about bitter clingers .

So in 1991 it was beneficial for him to be Kenyan. Right now is is beneficial for him to be an American. What is the truth--darned if I know. What I do know is he is not who he said he was in 2008. I wonder if he even knows the truth. Tell enough lies long enough and the truth gets harder and harder to come by even for the spinner of the yarns.

This is a side issue, anyway. If he is not a citizen the fastest way to get him out at this point is to vote him out. If he is a citizen who cares...he still needs to go.

One of the beautiful things about always telling the truth is that you never have to remember what lies you told, and to whom you told them. The Occupier in Chief seems to have never learned this lesson.

mamabearCali wrote:I don't think this proves him a kenyan. However, I do think it shows that he has been willing throughout his entire life to embellish stories and to portray himself as what is most advantageous to him at the moment. More than most presidents it seems to be if the company he is in requires him to be capitalist he talks about the American way, if the crowd is more socialist we hear about fairness.. If it behooves him to be a religious fellow we will hear about his faith, if the present company is more hostile to faith he will talk about bitter clingers .

So in 1991 it was beneficial for him to be Kenyan. Right now is is beneficial for him to be an American. What is the truth--darned if I know. What I do know is he is not who he said he was in 2008. I wonder if he even knows the truth. Tell enough lies long enough and the truth gets harder and harder to come by even for the spinner of the yarns.

This is a side issue, anyway. If he is not a citizen the fastest way to get him out at this point is to vote him out. If he is a citizen who cares...he still needs to go.

57Coastie wrote:I would submit that this question has been grossly oversimplified here. There is more to it than just where Obama was born. The Constitution provides in Art. II, Sec. 2, that the president must be a "...natural born citizen...." (Plus some other limitations no longer applicable, since those limited thereby are no longer living.)

It doesn't say he just has to be a "citizen," nor does it say he just has to be a "native born citizen." It says nothing explicitly about where his parents had to have been born, or whether or not they even had to be citizens of the U.S. It does not even explicitly say that the president himself must have been born in the U.S.

The question then comes down to, "What is meant by the term 'natural born citizen?'" Or is the question, "What did the term 'natural born citizen' mean to the framers of the Constitution?"

If one researches this question, really the only one which matters, he will find judges, lawyers, professors, historians, etc., etc., all over the place.

Notwithstanding that professional confusion, the "Birthers" appear to know the answer. And some of our members here appear to know the answer.

In any event, if one doesn't understand what the question is, how can his answer be correct, other than by accident?

I assure you that yours truly shares this dilemma, and he is not ready to put his opinion in writing, as it is so uncertain.

Jim

The Annoyed Man wrote:I agree that pursuing the birther angle is a waste of time, and I have my own opinions about it, but whether he is or is not a "real" American, he IS the president......no matter how much I hate that fact. We have two fundamental choices, particularly this late in his first term, and those are: A) dig deep into conspiracy theories, wasting our time there, and let the election pass us by; or B) get the sonuvagun tossed out of office in November and elect his replacement.

For the record, I was born outside the U.S. also, of a native born American father and a French born mother. But you guys don't want me for president. I used to smoke a lot of dope.