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Amonix wrote:After reading this forum I am kind of interested in all the taking on 6 people. If I was a betting man and had a 6-1 odd of losing I don't think I would take that bet.

My point is for me, I would think there is too many variables to simply plan for if I were to engage 6 armed people. When I read some of the posts my first thoughts went like this:

1. Armed group enters building. Most McDonalds I have been to have multiple entrances but assuming they came in through the main entrance which may be a two door allows two at one time.
2. I reach for my gun at 3:30 Clock position. By this time people are now yelling, and most likely screaming at the site of the armed group entering the room.
3. I aim, I pull the trigger, and fire a second round.
4. People now in fear for their lives because of my two gunshots get up and run.
5. I now have maybe 5 or if I am good 4 BG's down (possibly not kill shots. My skill is just not there I think).
6. Tunnel vision has kicked in the good guys mix with the bad guys and I react not knowing.

Maybe I am lacking in skill and confidence. I know I may sound crazy with this logic, but I see this situation like I see driving. I am not a bad driver, but the other drivers out there on the road I can't account for. I can't honestly think that those people who now heard gun shots aren't going to be running and I don't know if those guys holding the guns are bad shots either. With that also being said, I would say that if bullets started going first then yes I would want to go out fighting because the odds are I am either going to die not trying or I will.

If I am wrong please let me know. I know there are some one this forum that are way better skilled than I. I don't mind learning from experts. This situation makes me cringe because I can't plan for everything.

dac1842 wrote:Why not just be a good witness? Here are some facts:
1- unless you train for this scenario, or have been trained, the odds of a proper reaction are about 10%. Numerous studies show 90% of the public will freeze or panic.

2- some os you said you would open fire. Why? There were six of them, odds are you would have instigated a massacre.

3-I am a trained, certified SWAT sniper (retired), even I would just be a witness unless the suspects fired first. Police tactics 101, confront the robbers outside. This way you minimize the odds of a hostage situation and bystander injuries.

4- all the true heros are dead. Don't be in a hurry to join them. Your eyes and ears are truly the best weapons you have.

Until you are involved in a shooting scenario you really don't know how you will react. Pray daily you will never find out.

locke_n_load wrote:I guarantee that if one CHL holder would have fired on the first suspect coming through the door, they all would have scattered and ran immediately...

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jmra wrote:Due to a number of bad experiences in Houston in the 90s, I've learned the best way to survive an encounter with 6 thugs in a McDonalds in Houston is to avoid Houston altogether. That's been my plan for the last 15 years and I must say, it's worked out great.