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Noggin wrote:I find it hard to believe these young radicals calling for open rebellion forcing their left wing ideology on the rest of the country through bloody violence. The vision of a bunch of angry kids, with no emotional control who burst into tears under stress, who hate guns and have little or no experience with them, and they want to start a civil war with people like us! Surely there is something wrong with that picture? If such a thing ever came to pass do they have any idea what they would be up against? They should be grateful we believe in the rule of law because if that disappears I don't think they would like what they saw.

The Annoyed Man wrote:All of this is the natural byproduct of people placing a higher value on their grievance identity than on their citizenship.......or on obtaining citizenship if they don't already have it. They are more interested in carving their own place in the world, than they are in being part of the greatest nation in world history.

Frankly, I'm not surprised, as there are also plenty of people on the social/political right who are beginning to feel the same way. And I think this emphasis on assigning a higher value to one's grievance identity rather than on citizenship is itself the natural byproduct of a leviathan fedgov't which has grown too large to either be responsive to the needs of the citizenry, or protective the rights of the citizenry.