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by 03Lightningrocks
Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:51 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed
Replies: 134
Views: 17686

Re: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed

handog wrote:
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This is what I was wearing the day of the arrest. reckless?
Not reckless at all. I bet many here carry just like that. Personally, I feel like that handgun is sticking up to far and just begging to be exposed. Anything that protrudes out from your body, either while sitting down, bending over... or even while reaching up is a possible snag that could expose your weapon. This is just my opinion of coarse but I feel like full sized weapons are not necessary for concealed carry. Many manufacturers make sub compact weapons of quality and it sure does decrease the risk of getting outed. My son won't even consider carrying anything that requires he change his manner of dress. Drives me nuts but it is what it is. He likes to pocket carry and this really decreases the odds of getting outed. Again... just my opinion but try dropping the weapon down further inside your pants. You need a different holster for this but it might reduce that handle sticking out.

Try not to get ticked off by folks questioning your situation. None of us know you or the facts in what happened. It is pretty rare for someone to get rousted in the manner you did and I think it is human nature to try and make some sense of it. If we can figure out what you might have done to contribute to the situation, it makes the rest of us feel like we can limit our risk of getting the same treatment.
by 03Lightningrocks
Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:02 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed
Replies: 134
Views: 17686

Re: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed

gigag04 wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:Yep...as a matter of fact I was. I understand that you are just a bit predisposed in your view points so I will ignore the hyperbole indictment. :tiphat:
Were you given a speedy and fair trial? Were allowed to confront your accusers? Were you held with reasonable bail?

Everybody is predisposed to their own viewpoint...hence the fact that it is THEIRS. And by saying in a public forum that you will ignore something, you are not ingnoring it...I can glean from your writing that you dislike/distrust the police. This is well within your rights. I also read much of what you say to condemn many of their lawful actions. If I am misinterpreting something please advise...I'd rather not be at odds with you, but some of the opinions you offer make it difficult at best to not disagree. I take issue when you comment on things which I feel you don't know. You accuse the unknown officer of making this arrest solely to advance his career. A UCW arrest does not make you a big-time officer....this line of reasoning is simply taking potshots at someone that knows more of the story than you do, and is not here to defend themselves.

The less informed may read your comments regarding police and actually believe them...thus making my job all the more difficult. I will defend your right to post your opinion, but please allow others to challenge it with factual information.

Due to the nature of this obviously heated topic, this thread or whole topic may be deleted/locked, but I feel like it is a good discussion to have. I think there are many myths and misunderstandings between LEOs and average citizens. The more dialogue we can have and gain a better understanding of where each other come from, the better IMO.
Part of my reason for not taking your opinions to heart has to do with the post you made earlier on indicating an extremely high number of complaints against the department you represent. You are predisposed to thinking the citizen is always wrong. You stated as much in your original post telling of the high number of citizen complaints. That is just wrong in my humble opinion. I can only hope that the department in my community is more sensitive to treating the citizens with a bit more respect than the Round Rock officers showed.
by 03Lightningrocks
Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:34 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed
Replies: 134
Views: 17686

Re: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed

Yep...as a matter of fact I was. I understand that you are just a bit predisposed in your view points so I will ignore the hyperbole indictment. :tiphat:
by 03Lightningrocks
Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:11 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed
Replies: 134
Views: 17686

Re: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed

Maybe we should give handdog the benefit of the doubt folks. Obviously the judge agreed it was a bum rap. Anyone who claims they have never accidentally exposed their weapon, even for an instant, does not carry very often. The exception might be folks who carry in a purse or fanny pack. This could happen to any one of us and it really is baloney acting as if the guy who got treated like he lives in Nazi Germany deserved to get rousted by an over zealous cop looking to earn brownie points for advancement.

I have been arrested before and let me tell ya something. Once cops make the commitment, they won't back off no matter how ignorant they are about to look. Those cops would have looked like the keystone gang that they are if after calling in half the darned force they said "oops my bad" and let handdog walk. Give him a break. Those cops should have never made the arrest.
by 03Lightningrocks
Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:31 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed
Replies: 134
Views: 17686

Re: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed

So a shirt lifting up or the wind blowing a shirt up and exposing a weapon is not a crime. Correct???
by 03Lightningrocks
Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:14 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed
Replies: 134
Views: 17686

Re: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed

I was under the impression that accidentally exposing your firearm was not a crime. Case in point....this afternoon I was in Wally World with my daughter. I reached up to get something and when I did my shirt lifted up enough that my daughter could see my gun. I realized it almost immediately and corrected the situation. Because of this thread I found myself feeling somewhat paranoid that a cop was going to come zipping up and gun me down. I think it is pure unadulterated garbage how those yahoos in Roundrock treated the OP. I can understand them wanting to check his status but this garbage about hitting the panic button is not a good sign folks. Simply seeing a weapon and assuming he is out to kill someone is as wrong as them spotting him holding a bottle of liquor and assuming he was drunk.
by 03Lightningrocks
Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:11 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed
Replies: 134
Views: 17686

Re: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed

handog wrote:
bizarrenormality wrote:
handog wrote:Yes, a vigilante was able to detect my gun but printing is NOT a misdemeanor. The flashing is relevant to the story because I believe that is when the LEO made the dicision to place me under arrest.

So if the wind blows your shirt up you would consider that intentionally failing to conceal? :banghead: I give up.
Unless you're Marilyn Monroe, being exposed by the wind is not intentional, but it is a failure to conceal.

If someone saw your gun when you sat in an open back chair, think about how you can conceal better. If you flash your gun and have to adjust your clothes when you get out of your truck, think about how you can conceal better. If you print so bad a casual observer can guess you carry a gun, think about how you can conceal better. It's not required by the law, but it's smart to avoid recklessly or knowingly failing to conceal.



"It's not required by the law,"

Actually, it IS required by law but your point is well taken. If you read my earlier post I had asked for advice on a different rig. Perhaps a smaller gun / different holster.
PM9 in a mini super tuck will take care of that issue for you.
by 03Lightningrocks
Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:00 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed
Replies: 134
Views: 17686

Re: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed

driver8 wrote:I'm just glad it happened in Round Rock. That's the part of the state I would expect something like that. It's a beautiful part of the world but so is San Frrancisco

That is the truth of the matter. :iagree:
by 03Lightningrocks
Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:14 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed
Replies: 134
Views: 17686

Re: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed

driver8 wrote:The tape from that dash cam might have accidently been destroyed
Stuff happens. "rlol"
by 03Lightningrocks
Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:58 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed
Replies: 134
Views: 17686

Re: Concerned over cuffed and stuffed

Who are we kidding here. There are cops out there with a inferiority complex working them over to the max. I do believe there are cops out there who think nobody should be armed but them. I understand it. It is risky power tripping on citizens when you know they may fight back. I am NOT saying ALL cops are of this mind set, but there are some. I think cuff and stuffed may have run into a couple of these very types. It happens... sue them or get over it. Filing a complaint is probably going nowhere.

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