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Toadstone wrote:Aside from drawing a gun on them, punching their lights out, or pepper-spraying the attackers, what do you think about finding a fire extinguisher and letting them have it with that? I'm pretty sure it would distract them.

It depends on how hard you hit them with it.

paadams wrote:What the heck is she still doing on the street? Ridiculous.

The revolving doors of our less than perfect justice system.

philip964 wrote:An article that interviewed the woman says she is transgender. So the two other ladies are in a big pack of trouble as the victims minority trumps the attackers minority. It will be a hate crime now.

I bet your right. Especially if the other two girls shouted any derogatory statements about transgendered people as they beat her/him/it... not sure what to call it . Regardless , it still did not deserve that kind of beating.

philip964 wrote:Man shot at McDonald's in the Woodlands last night. Gee and I just thought it was the fries that were dangerous.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/27644577/detail.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow... and that is not a gangster neighborhood. It can happen anywhere.

In my world it is not all or nothing. Carrying a concealed handgun does not mean I can't use other measures to intervene in a situation like this. Realize that we are all typing from different realities. I am 50 and pretty darned strong for a guy my age. Heck... I am strong for a guy of 25...LOL. One poster even mentioned he was 24... 6'4" and fit. If I were 10 years older or had other issues putting me at a tactical disadvantage, I would respond differently. Last year I had a neck injury that made it hard to function normally. I would have been useless to do anything. Other than to get beat up. If my family is with me, I respond different than if I am alone or with buddies. I go more defensive than offensive if my daughter is with me. I can't risk her safety. The whole "what would you do" varies so much it is hard to have a straight answer.

Dave2 wrote:Wow, McDonald's sure has gotten dangerous in this past week.

Eating at McDonalds has always been dangerous. It is a real stretch to call that garbage food.

Oldgringo wrote:

austinrealtor wrote:

seamusTX wrote:What do you do after you produce a weapon and start issuing commands, and no one obeys you?

To put it bluntly, what do you think is going to happen when a white man in plain clothes pulls a gun in a crowd of angry and excited black people?

What are the friends or relatives of the combatants going to do?

Please don't call me a racist. This is a real situation that police officers often face. And the police have more legal authority behind them and can call for backup.

- Jim

EVERYONE should read and think long and hard about what Jim has written above. Very good advice.

ABSOLUTELY!

If two black women beat up on the white girl, how do you think their applauding audience is going to receive your honky heinie? Surely, you don't think yours is the only concealed gun in the joint, do you?

Secondly, what are you doing in this part of town anyway?

Sometimes you have to be in that part of town if your doing family things. Couple examples... Six Flags in Arlington. Talk about a bad part of town. How about the zoo? Seems like every zoo I have ever been to was located in an inner city ghetto. Graceland in Memphis... good luck with that one.... LOL. My family and I have been to each and every one of those areas and stopped in places where we were the only white people in the joint. I refuse to let race cause me to alter where and how I have a meal or partake in entertainment.

That white girl may have been one of their acquaintances. Maybe she was just as low class as them and made some ghetto faux pas!! Regardless, I am not Billy Bad, but I will be darned if I could just sit by and watch a person get done that way and not make an attempt to stop it. Pulling my gun would not even cross my mind. Knocking one of those animals out might have crossed my mind, but shooting them??? Not unless they forced me to. People are people and cowards are cowards... no matter what race they might be. Think about it for a minute. There was already one person man enough to say no. Heck... two. The older lady also stepped up! Did anyone jump the old white lady? NOPE! If just one more person had said stop, maybe that girl would have suffered less beating.

I am not recommending we put on our capes. I am saying that the line for me is if I am watching someone being done bodily harm. I would stand by and do nothing while the same two girls took everyones wallets at gunpoint. But once they start doing bodily harm.... Challenge Accepted... GAME ON!

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Keith B wrote:

Rikk101 wrote:I just saw a story on the Drudge report (complete with video) where two women beat and almost killed another woman in a McDonald's. One guy halfheartedly attempted to break it up, but then left and the attack continued. Then I began to wonder what if I had been there at the time, what would I have done? Just curious what you guys think, and how far would you go, as a CHL holder if armed, or just as an unarmed bystander, how far would you go to break up something like this?

Any link to the report?

It's right there on the drudgereport front page. Jesus, they beat on her until she started having a seizure. That's one of the worst things I've ever watched. Those two subhuman apes who assaulted this girl need to spend the next 10 years behind bars..... but they won't..... That was pure unmitigated savagery, and there isn't anything the victim could have done that would have deserved that.

Video Here: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec0_1303444048 (warning: VERY hard to watch).

It was hard to watch without getting angry. I watched two women get in a fight at my local Walgreens. They were an equal match...lol. Neither woman was taking a beating like that girl in Mickey D's and both were equal participants. Their kids were all cheering them on and screaming fight instructions at the women. It was quite the spectacle. The cops were on the way. No way I was going to get any of that action. I sat in my truck and watched for a minute before driving off. The cops were descending on the parking lot as I left. Different situations call for different responses and actions.

I am always quick to post that a CHL is not a Batman license but that does not mean I am going to stand by and watch a person get beat senseless and do nothing about it. I would not have pulled my gun but I would have had no problem doing as the gentleman who was trying to separate them. The force I used would be commensurate with the force they used against me. They did not appear to be attacking the feller who was trying to intervene so it seems I would not have had to use any force. Those animals turn on me??? It is on!!! My CHL has nothing to do with the fact that I have never been the type of person to sit by and watch bodily harm come to others and do nothing about it. I believe I can intervene if need be without "picking sides".