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urnoodle wrote:... . Not many take a woman seriously when she sounds like James Earl Jones .

Bawahahahaha ...

Interesting info fannypacker. I knew they had sold it a couple times. The place is always packed... Money machine would seem like the right word to describe it to me

urnoodle wrote:I've been to Bullet Trap several times and I've noticed that what I'm asked is highly dependent on who's helping me. I'm always asked for my TXDL to hold the lane. On one or two occasions I was asked about steel cases, on another whether I'm using bullets with exposed lead but for the most part I'm only asked what caliber I'm shooting and whether I have enough ammo. I've been there when it's been really busy and not so busy. I haven't noticed a difference in air quality on either day. I'ts always seemed heavy with smoke. I'm excited about the 2 new ranges in Frisco and Lewisville that will be closer to me so by fall I won't be making the trek out to BT any longer. Hopefully their ventilation will be better than BT.

I agree about the air at bt. It is pretty bad at times. My lungs feel like i have smoked a pack of Kools after a couple hours. I am looking forward to the new range in Frisco. That one is a little further than bt but, because of traffic, will be quicker for me.

BSB wrote:I took my son there today to practice for cowboy action this weakend. The kid says do you have any exposed lead? I said lead semi wadcutters. He says no lead. I said your crazy and left. I shot the same stuff there a few weaks ago. All I shoot is lead. I guess I have no use for that place.

BSB

Oh my!!! I am surprised to hear this. They never ask me that question. Thanks for the heads up.

Yeah... those fellers see me as a friend, not a foe. I would feel like a jerk carrying test equipment in there. I have known some of those guys in there for years.

sjfcontrol wrote:

C-dub wrote:Interesting! Do outdoor ranges have this problem. I would think not, but it might just be not nearly as critical because of the open environment as opposed to a closed one.

I missed this post. Yes, outdoor ranges also need to periodically mine the lead. Just like indoor ranges, if they don't, the lead builds up and starts to clump together as the rounds hit other rounds instead of dirt. Eventually they'll have problems with ricochets, spatter, etc. Not to mention erosion and slumping of the backstop itself. Of course, with both types of ranges, the required frequency depends on the amount of usage, and the quality of the management staff.

Also, this has to be done if the range is ever permanently shut down, prior to any other use.

Sjfcontrol...

I shoot at the BT quite often and have even taken my family there. After about an hour or so we start feeling like we all took up smoking and have to leave. The ventilation system appears to be holding all the smoke at the firing line. Next time I am there I plan to look for the exhaust to see if it is near the intake air. The air vents behind the range feel like they are putting out air at a pretty good velocity but the smoke just hangs on the line. On busy days it is almost unbearable.

Is it possibly more hazardous to our health there than I may have realized?

sjfcontrol wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote: The bristles stir up the lead dust. Ever sweep a dirty driveway? As you push, the action of the bristles "throws" the dirt up into a cloud in front of the broom. A squeegee, especially if not firmly pressed against the floor (which isn't needed to move brass), just pushes mainly the brass leaving the dust alone. IOW, the broom creates a scrubbing action against the floor not present with the squeegee.

Wow... glad to see the engineer in you isn't totally wasted on useless information.

He asked, I answered. Did you know the answer?

Yes I did, but was afraid of getting a post hog reputation so chose to wait for an answer I could critique. Thank you for the assistance. I hope you know I am just kidding with you a bit.

BTW... something you might find interesting. My spell checker tries to change your nick name from sjfcontrol to scoundrel. What's that all about???

sjfcontrol wrote: The bristles stir up the lead dust. Ever sweep a dirty driveway? As you push, the action of the bristles "throws" the dirt up into a cloud in front of the broom. A squeegee, especially if not firmly pressed against the floor (which isn't needed to move brass), just pushes mainly the brass leaving the dust alone. IOW, the broom creates a scrubbing action against the floor not present with the squeegee.

Wow... glad to see the engineer in you isn't totally wasted on useless information.

Vested interest or not, she is dead on about the air ventilation at The Bullet Trap. After one hour in there, I was coughing up the foul taste of gunpowder from my lungs for the entire day. They definitely have an issue with the vent system that is not getting corrected.

MasterOfNone wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Seriously though... I can deal with most of those problems. They have got to do something about the ventilation in that place. I can taste the powder coming up from my lungs for hours after leaving. It is real bad. I bet it is at a hazardous level if one were to check it with the proper instruments.

You don't keep a respirator in your range bag? Perhaps next to the battery-operated fan?

We use this model, but the smoke just hangs on the firing line so bad, even this doesn't help a lot. When my son comes into town from Houston and we go shooting, he has problems with it also. He shoots at some place in Houston that has great ventilation so I know it can be done properely.

Napier wrote:I love shooting at the 'Rap because it is as close as I think I can get to high stress conditions. It's blazing hot? My glasses steam up and I can barely see the target or the sights. It's freezing cold? My hands are so numb it's hard to operate the gun controls and I'm shaking so bad I can't aim well. And if I am really lucky, on a really good day, the place will be full of noob idiots booming away erratically with pistolas too big to carry and scaring the pants off me. They should charge extra!

LOL...I never thought of it like that...but you are 100% correct! I may offer to pay extra the next time I am there, choking on the poorly ventilated air while fighting off frostbite or clearing the fog created by the sweat on the safety glasses. I like the noobs. They keep you on your toes. One never knows when one of them is going to let off a round while holding the weapon in a way to point it to the side instead of downrange.

Seriously though... I can deal with most of those problems. They have got to do something about the ventilation in that place. I can taste the powder coming up from my lungs for hours after leaving. It is real bad. I bet it is at a hazardous level if one were to check it with the proper instruments.

I shoot there a lot myself and I can tell you that on hot days, you will swelter! I have come out of there dripping wet with sweat. In the cold weather, you will leave with frost bite on your nose. With all this, you still get choked to death by smoke. The problem is the way they have the ventilation laid out. Someone obviously did it on the cheap and had no clue of what they were doing. BTW... ventilation and HVAC are what I do for a living and I can assure you the system they have is not set up properely. I still shoot there and have bought many guns from them. Never bought any ammo as it is usually very expensive. The gun prices are fair. The range prices are much cheaper if you have a membership and buy a shooting card. Right now I am paying about 6 bucks per trip... my card is almost used up and I hope it has not gone up a lot.