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RoyGBiv wrote:^^^ Stated differently....

Missing that concert you payed 250 bucks a ticket to see ... or risking a round trip from the parking lot unarmed and the possible theft of my gun locked in the car.

Really looking for a suggestion on what to say and to whom if I'm stopped at the gate....
We managed to overcome the State Fair objections. We have our own express lane in the State Capitol Building. The AAC needs fixing.

That risk exists no matter where you enter a place you are forbidden to carry. You know the place is a problem on occasion. If you are that worried about someone getting into your vehicle, don't take the weapon with you. Or... stand your ground and fight the good fight.

What do you do at any other place you are forbidden to carry? There is NOTHING you can say to them to change their minds if they don't want their minds changed for them. You can however, take a stand and sacrifice an evenings fun to make a statement. Maybe you can get them to change the way they do things. It is not posted so it may be a mute point at the circus. For all we know you would only need to show your CHL and walk on in. The CHL badge might come in handy for situations like this. The events I have attended, that don't fall under sporting events, were hit and miss on being wanded. I have never been found with my weapon at the door. For all we know they may tell you to go on in after you show your CHL.

Maybe you can "fix" the AAC. Good luck with that. Personally, I don't have the time to fix every situation I cannot carry. Wish I did. Good Luck to you. Maybe you can start a ground swell of support.

RoyGBiv wrote:So when I show up for the concert, get wanded, and told I cannot CHL into the building, what magic words get me inside without returning to the car or getting arrested.?

ETA:

What's the chance a security guard at AAC would understand 30.06(e)? /rhetorical /sarcasm

Sec. 30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder:
(1) carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, on property of another without effective consent; and
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

I think it all depends on what you feel is going to have the most impact on your life. Missing that concert you payed 250 bucks a ticket to see or making a right to carry statement to a security guard.

lrpettit wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote:The AAC is owned and operated by:

Owner (Current 2014)CENTER OPERATING COMPANY LP
BRIAN BOWEN VP FINANCE
2500 VICTORY AVE
DALLAS, TEXAS 752197601
DBA: AMERICAN AIRLINES CENTER
http://www.dallascad.org/AcctDetailBPP. ... 0300066000" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And Center Operating Company is:
http://www.answers.com/topic/center-ope ... ompany-l-p" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

a partnership owned by Mavericks owner Mark Cuban and Dallas Stars owner Tom Hicks.

Seems to me that, although public funds were used to help build the facility, it is NOT publicly owned. It's a private company. I'd be happy to find that I'm wrong on this and that they cannot (legally) restrict me from carrying at a concert, but that seems to not be the case. Is this location posted 30.06? I don't find them on texas3006.com .

I was there last night and did not see a 30.06 posting.

Correct. It is NOT posted 30.06

lrpettit wrote:Personally, I never would have thought of the circus as a sporting event. Doesn't there have to be an element of competition for it to be a sporting event?

It isn't a sporting event. Legally, you could carry in this situation. But... is it worth the hassle? How long would a person have to spend negotiating with security personal or cops who don't know the rules and don't care? Meanwhile, the family all stands there worrying about pops getting them all kicked out of the circus and ruining the big evening. YMMV but for me, it isn't worth the hassle. Yep... in some situations I just accept my beat down.

lrpettit wrote:Went there to the circus last night. Could have carried. There was a guy there with a wand but he wasn't using it. The people checking people's bags/purses were merely taking a quick glance, if that. Seats are so narrow I wouldn't be comfortable with it anyway.

The narrow seat thing is crazy at that place. Some engineer figured out they could throw x number extra seats in the place if they subtracted 4 inches off each seat...LOL. I am not exactly a thin guy myself and if I happen to be sitting next to a fellow fatty, we are both in trouble! Hope the Circus was fun! I haven't been to a circus since the kids were little. No grand kids yet!

American Airlines Center has been so sporadic on carrying, I don't even try anymore. Even when it's not a professional sporting event. Sometimes they are using the hand held wands. With it being so hit and miss, It isn't worth the hassle to me. We always park in the lot that is right across the street. Literally a twenty foot walk with cops all over the place. Yeah... It can cost as much as 30 bucks to park there but at least it is only sixty seconds to our vehicle.